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re: Pels going to try with AD, Meeting Tentatively set in May
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:37 am to NOFOX
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:37 am to NOFOX
i disagree. he ran from adversity and it will forever be an asterisk by his name. people won't forget and it would always be a part of the argument used when convenient against him.
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
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I really don’t want him back. So there’s that.
Nope, frick him.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:41 am to NOFOX
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(5) The organizational changes here are great, but those other markets/teams offer a lot more exposure and endorsement opportunities for a non-charismatic star like AD. They also offer an easier path to consistent post-season appearances and a greater ability to recruit others to join him.
Just to hammer this point home a bit, when AD switched agents we dug into player endorsement deals a bit. AD was making $9 million a year while Westbrook/Harden, who both are perennial MVP candidates AND in playoffs every year, were making twice that at $18 million. I think it'd be safe to say that if AD went to a team in the East, even a dumpster fire like the Knicks, he would instantly jump into that category of both MVP candidate and in the playoffs because the East is so weak.
That's not taking the market size of New York into consideration. I know when DeRozan decided to resign with Toronto the Lakers were a factor because there was a significant amount of shoe endorsement money he could have added had he gone to Los Angeles instead. AD going to New York and just making the playoffs every year probably would get him enough endorsements to make up pretty big chunk of the money he'd miss by not signing the Super Max.
Griffin needs to convince AD that if he stays they will be good enough to be a playoff lock year in and year out...in the West.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:42 am to Chad504boy
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i disagree. he ran from adversity and it will forever be an asterisk by his name. people won't forget and it would always be a part of the argument used when convenient against him.
Absolutely no one blamed him for wanting out of New Orleans from a national perspective. The way he and Klutch went about is why he was criticized in the media. If he is moved and is successful elsewhere (particularly if it is a team other than the Lakers), the national media is not going to say "oh AD's doing great, but he never should have left NOLA." We don't have the cache or winning reputation for that to be a continued storyline.
And again, he will have vastly more powerful PR machines behind him (as opposed to against him) if he is moved to one of the storied franchises.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
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Griffin needs to convince AD that if he stays they will be good enough to be a playoff lock year in and year out...in the West.
I think that is the absolute bare minimum. I believe to really make an impression, Griffin will need to convince AD/Rich that he can leverage his media connections and ramp up the Pels' PR/marketing department enough to inflate both the Pels' and AD's exposure nationally.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:47 am to Crewz
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I think its bad business to be hurt by a kids mistake and not be open to the possibility he has learned from it and come out the other side.
To a man, 100% correct. Try and convince the mob this. The fans in NOLA aren’t going to be cool with this. He will never fully win over the fans.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:50 am to NOFOX
Again, if opportunity B is much better than opportunity A in your mind, and the only way to get to opportunity B is to do some shady stuff, I am not going to act like I am some great moral human being who wouldn't do that stuff.
But very few of us can relate because I assume all of us have a choice where we work.
The older I get, the harder I find it to judge kids who really are naive and easily manipulated and/or get sold on these grand possibilities. Their world is so much different than ours and while we assume that their bank account is large, so they should be happy no matter what - they are really just like the rest of us and are on the constant search for happiness. And like most of us they are looking in the wrong place. I can't hate on someone for that or deny them a second chance/a chance to evolve.
But very few of us can relate because I assume all of us have a choice where we work.
The older I get, the harder I find it to judge kids who really are naive and easily manipulated and/or get sold on these grand possibilities. Their world is so much different than ours and while we assume that their bank account is large, so they should be happy no matter what - they are really just like the rest of us and are on the constant search for happiness. And like most of us they are looking in the wrong place. I can't hate on someone for that or deny them a second chance/a chance to evolve.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:53 am to touchdownjeebus
The HARDCORE fans might never be won completely back, but we are like 0.5% of the fans. Most fans are the dad who works 40 hours a week, has no clue about the bigger picture stuff, takes his kids and wife to the game for entertainment. They will wonder, "Wait, why is AD back, I thought he wanted out?"
You tell that guy, "Pels added a new front office and really committed to doing it right so AD changed his mind and wants to stay."
Dad goes, "Cool, I always liked him." And then goes and buys a popcorn and 4 sodas. Thats the vast majority and superfans need to understand that
You tell that guy, "Pels added a new front office and really committed to doing it right so AD changed his mind and wants to stay."
Dad goes, "Cool, I always liked him." And then goes and buys a popcorn and 4 sodas. Thats the vast majority and superfans need to understand that
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:58 am to Crewz
A normal fan base, yes. The NOLA fan bass is very ethnocentric in the terms of NOLA. He shite on the city and that won’t be forgiven. Some fans will drink the kool-aid, gut a large swath will never forgive him.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:15 am to Pelefraan 1
Except that’s not what it’s like at all.
Lol
Lol
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:18 am to touchdownjeebus
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He shite on the city and that won’t be forgiven.
AD has handled this poorly enough. We don't have to make stuff up to make it sound worse than it is.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:22 am to touchdownjeebus
Never is strong.
It would take a lot of effort at the least to rehab him.
Tom Benson is a good example of this. How much rehab did his image need post-Katrina because of a number of his actions?
In about October or November 2005, Benson was probably the single most hated man of the Saints fan base and of New Orleans in general because of the perception, right or wrong, that he was abandoning them for San Antonio in their time of need.
Coming back and committing to winning, culminating in a Super Bowl, healed all wounds to where he was loved again by the time he died.
It would take a lot of effort at the least to rehab him.
Tom Benson is a good example of this. How much rehab did his image need post-Katrina because of a number of his actions?
In about October or November 2005, Benson was probably the single most hated man of the Saints fan base and of New Orleans in general because of the perception, right or wrong, that he was abandoning them for San Antonio in their time of need.
Coming back and committing to winning, culminating in a Super Bowl, healed all wounds to where he was loved again by the time he died.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:24 am to JohnnyKilroy
Blowing off New Orleans for Los Angeles just after the NFL refs fricked the Saints in favor of the Rams didn’t sit well.
It wasn’t just leaving as much as where and when.
It wasn’t just leaving as much as where and when.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:28 am to Chad504boy
quote:His best chance to rehabilitate his image is by winning IMO.
AD's best chance to rehabilitate his image and likability is to stay here imo.
I just wouldn't bet that New Orleans is his best chance to win unfortunately.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:31 am to teke184
Just adding some color to this thread. I think part of the issue with AD and the team is actually Gayle. Based on what I've been told there was a moment with Gayle that really soured AD on the organization and which also added to him moving up his timeline to get out of here. I think that will be really hard to overcome.
But hiring Griffin was a great first step. And he is building a strong organization and is a hell of a salesman.
But hiring Griffin was a great first step. And he is building a strong organization and is a hell of a salesman.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:33 am to NolaJake
It was football season and she thought he was a tight end, huh?
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:34 am to Crewz
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And if he can't, I am cool with that too. But this idea of passing on an "all in" AD to get a poo poo platter and to build with Jrue, Tatum and a bunch of 19 year olds -- I see the reality of that, not just the wishful thinking possibilities
I will pay to be part of an elite board to watch January Crewz argue with April Crewz.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:34 am to NolaJake
quote:GIve us the details on that.
Based on what I've been told there was a moment with Gayle that really soured AD on the organization and which also added to him moving up his timeline to get out of here. I think that will be really hard to overcome.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:36 am to TigerinATL
The endorsement stuff for Davis is tough.
As we saw during All-Star weekend, he has no discernible personality. He isn't a Westbrook or Embiid or Giannis or Harden as a personality or "brand ambassador." There's almost nothing interesting about him when he talks or whatever he does off the court. He's more like Kawhi, who's selling a New Balance shoe for ~$5M/yr.
Being in a big market and on a high profile team would help, obviously. But if he's in NYK w/ Durant and Kyrie, guess who's taking all the oxygen out of the room?
As we saw during All-Star weekend, he has no discernible personality. He isn't a Westbrook or Embiid or Giannis or Harden as a personality or "brand ambassador." There's almost nothing interesting about him when he talks or whatever he does off the court. He's more like Kawhi, who's selling a New Balance shoe for ~$5M/yr.
Being in a big market and on a high profile team would help, obviously. But if he's in NYK w/ Durant and Kyrie, guess who's taking all the oxygen out of the room?
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:38 am to shel311
I've fleshed it out a bit more on the podcast a couple of times--though no specific details. And it's filtered in when I have expressed my concerns about Gayle.
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