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re: Pels going to try with AD, Meeting Tentatively set in May

Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:23 am to
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:23 am to
I think the bar will be lowered as well, though. In their heads, people are thinking "Look at how much we would have to do to catch the current Warriors"

But what if I said to you - "AD is all in and committed. How much would we need to add to catch the Nuggets or Blazers?"

Doesn't see like a ton is needed, right?

The Warriors are coming back to the pack. Get them out of your mind. A fully engaged Jrue and AD core is not miles away from the next tier of teams.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 8:28 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61506 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:24 am to
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Putting yourself in THAT exact scenario. Get out of your fandom. How could you possibly blame him from wanting LA over NOLA


At the time most people understood and accepted it. Then his agent started trying to strong arm the franchise so the fans naturally got defensive. They'll probably remain defensive unless Griff comes out and tells us everything's fine and Klutch isn't trying to screw us anymore.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:26 am to
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What about the thought that maybe we can't win enough with AD as the top guy?



I think with the way the NBA is today, it will be hard to win with a big as your best player.

My preferred order of outcomes for AD are:
1. Trade AD this summer (this is selfish on my part because I know we won't get the value we would with option 2, but I'm just ready to move on)
2. AD signs extension and trade him next summer
3. AD signs extension and we move forward trying to build around him
4. AD doesn't sign extension and isnt traded this summer (I don't think this is really an option but it's the only possibilty not listed)



I have infinitely more confidence in Griffin than our previous structure, but I still would rather not attempt option 3 because we've tried that already and only have 1 playoff series win to show for it.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25205 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:26 am to
So I'm supposed to put aside all the years of ineptitude with the Lakers organization for a few good weeks they had at the 4 seed? When the Pelicans actually advanced in the playoffs the season before?

I'm sorry AD got played by LeBron and his crew. The fact he(LeBron/espn) thought they could force him to LA even though the Pelicans wouldn't then and still won't now get anything worth AD back in a trade.

AD saw the easy way out and wanted to take it and the organization for one of the few moments in this city actually played it correctly and will end up better for it in the end.
Posted by Pelibeast
Member since Jun 2017
97 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:29 am to
I don’t think emotions are the only reason people have negative views towards AD. I for one was able to look at his game/era here more objectively. As a biased fan before I saw him as a top 3 player but that’s just simply untrue. He just doesn’t have the effect on the game that guys who always have the ball in their hands have like Giannis, Harden, etc and I think our below average record during his tenure here reflects that. I understand the message of taking emotions out of it; it’d be great to have the option to take him back if the trade package is not good enough, but it would not be my first option.

In reality fans don’t take emotion out of it, and this is a good time for a new era.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:30 am to
People are optimists. I am sure you "put aside all the bad history" of the Pelicans when they swept the Blazers. I bet you would have been sold easily on, "We will take this, add X and Y and be a real contender for years to come!"

To blame AD for being sold an optimistic idea when his current situation was glib would be to do nothing more than call him a human being.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25205 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:33 am to
quote:

I am sure you "put aside all the bad history" of the Pelicans when they swept the Blazers. I bet you would have been sold easily on, "We will take this, add X and Y and be a real contender for years to come!"


No, you'd be wrong.

quote:

To blame AD for being sold an optimistic idea when his current situation was glib would be to do nothing more than call him a human being.


No I'd call AD stupid for being sold a bill of goods by snake oil salesmen.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3733 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:36 am to
is NY or LA worth 50m more endorsements than he would get in NO? I don't think this is about the money.

Im sure AD's team has already positioned this to him. My guess is he will listen, good for him to listen, and decide to move on.



Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:37 am to
I totally get it. I think a lot of people are doing the same thing they are made that AD did a few months ago. They are looking at possibilities and seeing green grass with all this upside and limitless possibilities.

But I caution, because possibilities become reality. Tatum is an idea now. On January 19th, he will be a guy who pisses people off as he is firing up mid range shots and not taking over games down the stretch. Marcus Smart is chucking up shots and our rookies can't get off the bench.

Personally, give me a fully invested AD as my top wish and every other possibility comes after that. If you have that and Jrue and a proper FO, scouting department, analytics crew, etc. I think you have as good of a chance as anyone in the West over the next 5 years if KD leaves and as CP3 gets older
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64225 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:44 am to
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Meeting Tentatively set in May


I like our chances!
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10924 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:44 am to
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I know nobody on this board will buy it, because I get how emotion and fandom work, but I truly do not believe that Rich Paul is just using AD as a pawn and only doing what is best for Lebron at the expense of what is best for AD.


I agree with this fully, however what I also believe (perhaps blindly without as much insight as you) is that Rich Paul was ultimately doing what was best for Rich Paul. Doesn't Rich Paul get a % of all those extra endorsements and movie deals he can drum up for AD? If I am correct those alone could out weight the difference in the contract AD would be getting in NOLA vs LA. Perhaps I'm wrong and the agent/agency only gets a % of the "contract" but it sure seems like the get more than that/.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:52 am to
Every human being is ultimately doing what is in their best interest. I ride with Ayn Rand on that.

But the thing that is best for Rich Paul is to build his business and get as many clients as possible. To have power after Lebron retires and no longer has sway.

And I think some simple thinkers like to imagine Rich Paul as simply a Lebron puppet, acting in only his interest. And that simply is not the case. If the Pels start 22-8. If they were what Denver is this year (which was realistic coming into the year), then none of this happens.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10924 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:08 am to
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But the thing that is best for Rich Paul is to build his business and get as many clients as possible. To have power after Lebron retires and no longer has sway.



And he can't do this if he's shown to purposefully screwing clients for his benefit or the benefit of a single client like Lebron. Makes sense, fwiw i never blamed AD for his decision, cringed a little at how it went down, but agree that most fans can not get their heads wrapped around the business side of sports management because of their investment in that team or player.
I do hope Griffin can sell his brand of Pelicans basketball to AD.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:10 am to
And if he can't, I am cool with that too. But this idea of passing on an "all in" AD to get a poo poo platter and to build with Jrue, Tatum and a bunch of 19 year olds -- I see the reality of that, not just the wishful thinking possibilities
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166275 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:12 am to
i like tatum as a player (granted i'm the average casual nba fan) but i just don't see him ever being that elite level guy in the league.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110863 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:20 am to
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He isn’t that smart. He’s a follower. A robin. Easily manipulated
Agreed

I was and posted saying so firmly on the bandwagon of he's a grown arse man, and there's no need for us to blame Lebron or Klutch/Rich Paul for these decisions, AD is in charge.

And yes, he does have the ultimate decision making power on these, but the more the story played out, the more obvious it seemed IMO that he was pretty easily manipulated and could have others call the shots for him.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9945 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:29 am to
Ok so here is my take.

(1) I assume this May meeting will take place after the draft lottery, so we have more information regarding our assets and those of other teams.

(2) As others have said, AD is not a bright guy. He doesn't have the practical business smarts like KD, Lebron, Steph, Harden, and other superstars. He acts on emotion and is averse to owning his actions.

(3) AD comes by it honest though. His pops seems devoid of all intelligence and is a huge influence on his decision making. Despite being a grown man, AD got too much money too early and has never matured. He still overly relies on his family for support in managing his career, but they aren't capable of giving logical advice.

(4) Because AD and his father can likely be influenced either way, the real trick is that Griff will have to convince Rich Paul that NOLA is a better option for AD from a winning and brand building perspective than BOS, LA, or NY. This will be a tall order.

(5) The organizational changes here are great, but those other markets/teams offer a lot more exposure and endorsement opportunities for a non-charismatic star like AD. They also offer an easier path to consistent post-season appearances and a greater ability to recruit others to join him. Not to mention the enhanced lifestyle and unlimited potential baby mommas.

(5) Regardless of the institutional changes put in place by Griff here, I think there is maybe a 5% chance Rich and AD agree to commit to a 5 year supermax. There is no guarantee of annual post-season success or the individual accolades which are absolutely necessary for brand building in this size market. Building out his brand is the entire reason AD hired Klutch.

(6) If Griff really wants to convince AD to stay, he needs to leverage his extensive media connections and present AD/Rich with a vision not just of the basketball side of staying in NOLA, but also the business side. He needs to convince them he will be able to open opportunities available in other big markets. He also probably needs the threat of sending AD to Toronto or some other less desirable market as a stick.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 9:33 am
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166275 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:31 am to
AD's best chance to rehabilitate his image and likability is to stay here imo. The AD perception has changed greatly past 3 months and leaving would only be a continuation of the changed perspective of him.
Posted by ErikGordan
Member since Oct 2016
851 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:33 am to
A superstar like Davis really doesn't need an agent for his NBA contract.

He need his agent to find commercial endorsements. Davis ain't looking to be spokesman for a furniture store on St Claude Ave

The best outcome would be a list of teams that AD is willingly to sign an extension. This will allow the Pels and Davis to move forward.

All these trades are fantasies without an extension. Just revisit what the Spurs received for Leonard to determine AD's market value.



Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9945 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:35 am to
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AD's best chance to rehabilitate his image and likability is to stay here imo. The AD perception has changed greatly past 3 months and leaving would only be a continuation of the changed perspective of him.


From a PR perspective all that can easily be rehabiltated once he is on another team. The perception on him changed because he shot his shot and missed. He would have all of the PR power of BOS, LA, or NY once he is moved. His image would stay tainted in NOLA, but they don't care aboutt hat.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 9:37 am
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