re: Pels going to try with AD, Meeting Tentatively set in May

Those numbers assume he leaves and signs a long term deal with his new team. I find it hard to believe he would sign his 3rd contract as an UFA. Then again, like Gentry said, he's been getting some bad advice.

He could leave, do a 1+1 until he hits his 10 years of service and close that gap some. Obviously a risk that he won't get hurt.

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"150 million, 250 million, what's the difference?

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There is a lot of truth to the point that ultra wealthy take their pay seriously. There is some doubt as to whether or not Davis sees himself as a global icon/businessman the way LeBron, who is indeed frugal, does.

There's also truth to the idea that the money in the NBA for superstars is absurd now. Some of those players may see the cost of having freedom to play wherever they want as one they're willing to pay. Maybe Davis believes (naively at this point IMO) that he will make up that money in endorsements in a bigger market.

Really interesting Lowe Post w/ Beck that came out right after Davis requested a trade. The last 10-15 minutes talks exclusively about the money for superstars in the NBA, how big it has gotten, and how it changes the choices those players have and can make.

For example, the % difference between signing a $40M deal v a $70M deal is much great than the % difference between signing a $200M deal v a $235M. Add to that the fact that you've already banked $150M (generational wealth) in your career, and, while still a lot of money to pass up, you can look at that $35M difference as a tax to play somewhere else that you want to play.

How much is the freedom to choose worth to the superstar player? Maybe Davis doesn't think it's worth it. Maybe he does. We'll see.

And none of this even begins to look at the realities of a supermax contract when trying to build a team.

I don't see this meeting as anything more than griffin driving up the cost to get AD. The relationship is severed with the fan base like it was with baron davis all those years ago.

Let's reset the franchise and move on with our lives and get draft picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts

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Can we stop with this new argument of, "I don't know if I even want AD on that new contract"

Literally NOBODY would have said that ten months ago

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10 months ago we didn't KNOW that he valued winning so much more than money. We also thought he'd give us a chance to build this year rather than burn it. At least he was kind enough to burn the franchise to the ground in the process.

I'm still on the fence about whether I want him back or not, not because I think he's not worthy of being a Pel, but because it's clear we need another high level player in addition to AD/Jrue and it's uncertain if we have the ability to get that player.

I like Griffin's All the Way In or All the Way Out stance and I hope he sticks to it. At the very least the Pels need to draft another Buddy this year and hope they can combine that with future assets to land the next disgruntled B+ player.

One interesting thing I haven’t seen mentioned in all this since David Griffins press conference that seems to lend support to the possibility of AD and Klutch being open to this possible reunion is the simple fact that there have been no leaks through sources from AD/Klutch’s side saying anything. They haven’t said “no way”. They haven’t even had anyone say “sources say he’d be open to meeting but prefers to still leave”.

I do think that in this situation, no leaks is a good sign. It also jives with and shows respect for Griff’s statement at the press conference that whether he chooses to stay or chooses to go after they meet, he hoped we wouldn’t hear much publicly from either side about it via leaks.

Just don't want to see the team try to prop him up as the face of the franchise.. He may be the best player on the team, and he may be the highest paid as well, but his previous actions do not embody what I hope the team expects from a leader

Like the Spurs, I'd like to see them take the approach of a "franchise without a face".. A winning culture where certain things are expected of players, coaches, staff, etc. No one person makes it move or breaks it down.

He gave them a fair shake coming in. They start 22-8 and there is no trade request.

I know small market fans are super sensitive but OBJECTIVELY speaking, who in the world could make the argument for a .500 team that's ownership is half way in when there is at least the possibility of LeBron,.Kyrie,.big movies and a franchise that has won a ton of titles?

Again, these are not the full realities but normal people don't think that deep. They see the surface, they see green grass elsewhere when their grass is brown. And legitimately brown.

I think there is a lot of bias and emotion here. I would propose more objectivity

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At the very least the Pels need to draft another Buddy this year

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If given the choice I hope we go Murray this time around.

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What about the thought that maybe we can't win enough with AD as the top guy?

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This is a good thought and thought experiment for Pels fans.

Davis is unquestionably the most talented big man in the league. How that fits into a successful team construct in 2019 is worth considering.

Worth paying attention to how far the Nuggets and Sixers (who have a weird roster as is) go and what strenghts/flaws emerge for a big man led team at the highest levels.

Hopefully Griff gets AD and RP to shut the frick up and let him trade them if they don't want to stay. Can't wait for the "I don't want to play in Boston or New York or Phoenix" comments that will be forthcoming.

You are making this argument with todays information. Lets travel back in time to January. Here is what AD would have heard:

Look man, Lebron had the Lakers as the 4 seed with a bunch of young scrubs. Imagine what he could do with you and then we add Kyrie or Play next summer. Plus, I am hearing KD is going East. You will be in LA, in Space Jam, winning titles. Lets do this!

Okay, now go back in time to January as the Pels are sitting at .500. Ownerships focus is all on football, the FO has no clear long term vision and definitely could not even in the most optimistic world say Kyrie or Play with a straight face.

Putting yourself in THAT exact scenario. Get out of your fandom. How could you possibly blame him from wanting LA over NOLA?