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re: This thing will go south quick if Ensminger is promoted to OC
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:13 pm to sicboy
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:13 pm to sicboy
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I want to see O fail hard, but I don't want to lose too many seasons doing it.
I'm not here yet! I would love for O to turn this around, but I just don't see it happening and have no faith in Alleva to get this going in the right direction.
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:15 pm to BilJ
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see LSU fail, but I have no excitement left for LSU football with Orgeron at the helm. The Canada hiring shows he either is too hard to work with or did no homework with the hire........or both. He got what he wanted, head gig at his "dream school", and he's not too worried about anything else except crootin.
And to think I was very anti Kirby Smart when his name started floating around the first time Les was supposed to be fired.
And to think I was very anti Kirby Smart when his name started floating around the first time Les was supposed to be fired.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:17 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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I'm not here yet!
I'm not at that point yet either. But if it doesn't turn around this year it's not going to.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:18 pm to TigahTeeth
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Is there something going on you’re trying to be cryptic about?
Does he ever do anything else?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:21 pm to sicboy
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Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see LSU fail,
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I want to see O fail hard,
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:23 pm to sicboy
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The Canada hiring shows he either is too hard to work with or did no homework with the hire........or both
...or, he took a risk on a guy given the other OC options available to him and the time constraints he had.
Hiring Canada wasn't a sign of incompetence. It didn't work out. It not working out is also not a sign of incompetence. It happens. What happens next is everything. Not only would it remove the concern about Canada, it could actually be a positive. Or, it could end up being the end of his tenure if he makes a bad hire.
Still, it's pretty shitty that you are rooting against Orgeron. He is what he is. My opinion on him as a head coach when we hired him really hasn't changed. I thought he'd be about Les Miles in his later years, and I think I've been on the money.
But, I really think, despite his shortcomings, that things could fall right and LSU could win big with him. I just think LSU brings so much to the table and we saw that kind of success with Miles. But, again, this hire is everything.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:26 pm to BilJ
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I would absolutely love to be wrong about this whole set up because if he fails, it will likely take years to build it back.
Yep. Our best bet is for 2018 to be his last year. If we go through 3 full years of O, i'm afraid it will take 5+ to get back.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:26 pm to moneyg
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or, he took a risk on a guy given the other OC options available to him and the time constraints he had.
And absolutely was a hire that everyone on this board was fired up about....
Now O fricked up and doesn’t know what he’s doing because he didn’t vet Canada properly
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:26 pm to sicboy
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Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see LSU fail, but I have no excitement left for LSU football with Orgeron at the helm.
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And to think I was very anti Kirby Smart when his name started floating around the first time Les was supposed to be fired.
It's because you can just tell when someone knows what it takes, and also has what it takes, to be great. The difference is so glaring in the way the program is operated and the vision carried out.
You can tell Kirby Smart gets it. On the other end for us, you can easily see Will Wade gets it. The difference between the Will Wade situation and Orgeron situation is quite obvious. One guy understands the vision and process of building an elite program, and the other is just bumbling around hoping shite sticks.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:27 pm to sicboy
apathy had already began seeping in among the fan base towards the end of the Les era, instead of a total overhaul to re-energize it, our AD decides to just slightly tweak it, with a much inferior head man. I'll never wrap my head around the thinking behind it.
Briles may help energize some but I think many will be skeptical considering how many times a new OC has been presented as the offensive savior
Briles may help energize some but I think many will be skeptical considering how many times a new OC has been presented as the offensive savior
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:29 pm to BilJ
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Briles may help energize some but I think many will be skeptical considering how many times a new OC has been presented as the offensive savior
Two totally different regimes. Can’t correlate one with the other. Improvement has to start somewhere
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:29 pm to moneyg
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Hiring Canada wasn't a sign of incompetence. It didn't work out. It not working out is also not a sign of incompetence. It happens.
When is the last time you saw a major school hire a OC, only to butt heads with the HC and get fired after 1 year? (not even that)
This doesn't just 'happen'. There is a reason for it.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:31 pm to MountainTiger
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if it doesn't turn around this year it's not going to.
What does "turning it around" look like to you? There's a chance we have a really good team next year and still end up with 3-4 losses. Will the fanbase be able to look past possible losses to see improvements (if there are any to be seen)?
For me, I'm expecting another 9-3/8-4 type season next year and going into 2019 as Orgeron's make or break year. Success being true contention for the SEC West and a playoff berth. Failure being a third straight "Les" type season.
I'm just worried this fanbase can't survive another 3-4 loss season under Orgeron even if there are actual tangible reasons for optimism (like having a highly rated offense and defense) and the losses being competitive with no big coaching blunders.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:32 pm to Prominentwon
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And absolutely was a hire that everyone on this board was fired up about....
false. Canada was a very average hire that a few posters pumped up so much it got everyone believing he was the next big thing.
Some folks (me
) shared a lot of data to show he was a flash in the pan at Pitt. But very few actually cared. Add to that the fact that they can't get along, and it was a very bad hire. Especially with the way he left NC st
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:32 pm to BilJ
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I'll never wrap my head around the thinking behind it.
Basically boils down to Joe’s ego and not wanting to be embarrassed by UT unveiling Herman first. Totally normal to make your decision at 6am on a Saturday. So terrible.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:33 pm to Prominentwon
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And absolutely was a hire that everyone on this board was fired up about....
Now O fricked up and doesn’t know what he’s doing because he didn’t vet Canada properly
On paper it was a really good hire.
In execution, a disaster. Where the blame lies depends on where you fall on O I guess. Some could say Canada just sucks and his resume was a lie, others can say he never had much of a chance since he was coaching an offense with his hands tied behind his back.
Regardless the public fall out has made us look like a clown show from the outside. If you don't think that is being used against them on the recruiting trail....you're very naive
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:34 pm to whitefoot
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For me, I'm expecting another 9-3/8-4 type season next year and going into 2019 as Orgeron's make or break year. Success being true contention for the SEC West and a playoff berth. Failure being a third straight "Les" type season.
I'm just worried this fanbase can't survive another 3-4 loss season under Orgeron even if there are actual tangible reasons for optimism (like having a highly rated offense and defense) and the losses being competitive with no big coaching blunders.
The parallels between UGA 2016/2017 and LSU 2017/2018 are pretty uncanny if you ask me, especially if we hit the jackpot with Guice coming back.
If LSU can't get an SEC West title and be a playoff caliber team (I say caliber because you never know what the college football landscape will look like), then we will know.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:34 pm to Prominentwon
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Two totally different regimes. Can’t correlate one with the other. Improvement has to start somewhere
well the regimes are not totally different
and this one ended with the view that the head man interfered with the offense, which was the big sell on him in the first place....so how is it different? Why should we believe he'll trust Briles enough not to handcuff him as well?
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:35 pm to Prominentwon
I'm torn, I won't lie.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:37 pm to SportTiger1
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When is the last time you saw a major school hire a OC, only to butt heads with the HC and get fired after 1 year? (not even that)
This doesn't just 'happen'. There is a reason for it.
Of course it happens. Most schools wouldn't make the change in year 1. And, most situations don't get to the point where there is a physical confrontation as a result of the turmoil. But, it happens. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Orgeron shares as much blame as Canada.
But, I really am not concerned about Canada. To be honest, I think Orgeron needs a homerun type of coordinator and I don't think Canada was ever going to be that. If you remove the homerism when the hire happened, and the regret of losing something now that he's not staying, there is very little to look at and make you think that our offense was ever going to be great under his lead.
It's all about the hire. If he doesn't hire a great OC, I think it will be the end of him. I don't think he'll get another chance to make a hire.
But, if you are a LSU fan, you don't want the current situation moving forward. There has to be change.
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