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re: This thing will go south quick if Ensminger is promoted to OC
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:38 pm to whitefoot
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:38 pm to whitefoot
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What does "turning it around" look like to you? There's a chance we have a really good team next year and still end up with 3-4 losses. Will the fanbase be able to look past possible losses to see improvements (if there are any to be seen)?
For me, I'm expecting another 9-3
If we go 9-3, I'd suggest that our team is significantly improved from this year.
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:38 pm to moneyg
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he took a risk on a guy given the other OC options available to him and the time constraints he had
I agree with everything you wrote, but there weren't REALLY time constraints. I assume you're referring to quarterback recruiting as being where the pressure was coming from, but Orgeron hired Canada on December 15. That's over 6 weeks before NSD. There was plenty of time to get the guy Orgeron wanted and still get Narcisse and Brennan back into the fold.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:39 pm to SportTiger1
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false. Canada was a very average hire that a few posters pumped up so much it got everyone believing he was the next big thing.
So, you agree that Canada as a coordinator is not much of a loss? And, you are upset about the fact that Orgeron screwed that situation up and now we have to make another hire?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:39 pm to moneyg
When we hired Canada I thought he was going to be great at what we wanted Miles to do for all those years, yet to no avail. We keep our physical mentality, but we become more diverse in formation and utilize misdirection to accomplish it. I knew it wouldn't fix our Alabama problem, but was ok with it because it's a system that can keep every other team off balance when run at its full potential. I still don't believe we ran his full offense this whole year based off what I saw from Pitt last year. He was greatly limited by his QB's ability to execute in the deep passing game, his WR depth, and O-line to begin the season. It also didn't help that your #1 playmaker at RB was severely limited by injury.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:40 pm to moneyg
It doesn't matter who the OC is, LSU will never win anything with O at the helm, he's a DLine coach, not someone who has the ability to win divisions and national championships.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:41 pm to BilJ
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Why should we believe he'll trust Briles enough not to handcuff him as well?
We saw Canada's offense this year. I know O stepped in early in the season and that it may have even cost us the Troy game. That's a fair criticism.
But, you are way off if you think we didn't see what Canada brought to the table. We saw it. It was decent. It didn't help that Etling was our QB. Our OL was a liability early on...but that was the offense. That's what you could expect moving forward if he were staying.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:43 pm to moneyg
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If we go 9-3, I'd suggest that our team is significantly improved from this year.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:45 pm to moneyg
I mean you're saying we saw his offense.....minus the QB he wanted, a bad OL, and interfered with by the HC.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:46 pm to BilJ
And poorly coached wide receivers.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:48 pm to BilJ
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I mean you're saying we saw his offense.....minus the QB he wanted, a bad OL, and interfered with by the HC.
I don't believe the "interference" was nearly as much as the rant has made it out to be. I also believe Canada was trying to do too much with the young linemen early on.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:49 pm to whitefoot
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What does "turning it around" look like to you? There's a chance we have a really good team next year and still end up with 3-4 losses. Will the fanbase be able to look past possible losses to see improvements (if there are any to be seen)?
Great question. For me it's not about wins and losses necessarily. I think I'm capable of recognizing improvements even if they don't translate into wins. I'm not so sure about the rest of the fan base.
With respect to expectations, I try my best not to have any. I try to go into each season with the mindset of just enjoying the ride. I also realize that isn't an an approach shared by the majority. That said things are a lot more fun when we are competing for championships of some kind so that's what I hope for.
Key word there is "try".
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:52 pm to whitefoot
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I agree with everything you wrote, but there weren't REALLY time constraints. I assume you're referring to quarterback recruiting as being where the pressure was coming from, but Orgeron hired Canada on December 15. That's over 6 weeks before NSD. There was plenty of time to get the guy Orgeron wanted and still get Narcisse and Brennan back into the fold.
The recruiting class as a whole needed a lot of work. You have to remember that LSU had gone through a couple of months. Orgeron had to get things solidified and give a sense of stability. Plus there were holes in the class. The way we finished at linebacker was amazing.
For everything that Orgeron has done, his management and closing of last year's class was truly elite.
But, there is a cost to change. I think it's reasonable for Orgeron to make the decision that he needed to make a good "on paper" hire sooner rather than later. That seems to match my recollection of the temperature of the fan base.
It didn't work out.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:54 pm to moneyg
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So, you agree that Canada as a coordinator is not much of a loss? And, you are upset about the fact that Orgeron screwed that situation up and now we have to make another hire?
Oh i support getting rid of canada for the sole fact that i never liked the hire in the first place.
But i can also not like the way this has all gone down.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:55 pm to BilJ
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Some could say Canada just sucks and his resume was a lie, others can say he never had much of a chance since he was coaching an offense with his hands tied behind his back
Successful/elite QB play is the missing ingredient. You can’t outcoach a void, IMO. The only way to get past a black hole at QB is to have an elite defense. I’ll always stick with my guns on that. Unfortunately, that void has existed @ LSU for a decade.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:55 pm to Front9Bandit
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It doesn't matter who the OC is, LSU will never win anything with O at the helm, he's a DLine coach, not someone who has the ability to win divisions and national championships.
This is simplistic thinking to be honest. I think LSU could win but it will take two elite coordinators. LSU should be swinging for the fences on this OC hire. That's the model we've adopted. If that's our plan, we need to adopt it completely. If we don't, it's the worst of both worlds.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:55 pm to moneyg
The biggest issues were Brennan and Narcisse. The seemingly lack of urgency about the hire was making things really shaky in their recruitment.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:56 pm to SportTiger1
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But i can also not like the way this has all gone down.
Ok. But, I think that's really not the important aspect of the situation.
The important aspect is that LSU is again sitting on an opportunity to improve it's staff...and we've only wasted a single year of having the wrong guy. Programs almost never get that opportunity.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:58 pm to moneyg
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The important aspect is that LSU is again sitting on an opportunity to improve it's staff...and we've only wasted a single year of having the wrong guy. Programs almost never get that opportunity.
My premise is that O will screw up whatever opportunity he gets. Based on the last year, i feel fairly confident in that assessment.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 12:58 pm to moneyg
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Ok. But, I think that's really not the important aspect of the situation.
oh no it very much is important. The handling of this was troubling, whether you liked Canada or not.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 1:00 pm to moneyg
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That seems to match my recollection of the temperature of the fan base.
The fan base (on the rant anyway) was totally freaking out and clamoring for the hire. In part because they were furious about the Orgeron hire and in part because Auburn was coming hard for Narcisse and Oklahoma State was coming hard for Brennan.
I don't disagree with what you're saying that there was pressure to make a hire, I'm just saying there wasn't a tangible deadline that Orgeron was working against.
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