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re: Anyone ever have their kid in ambulance from school?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:33 pm to ChunkyLover54
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:33 pm to ChunkyLover54
I know two baws who were down at the camp and one of them had a heart attack. The other one wouldn’t drive him back to the dock bc he had too many DUIs. By the time the sheriff’s department got there and brought him to the dock it had been over an hour. They had a helicopter waiting to take him to the hospital when the friend spoke up and said, “he’s already made it over an hour, just take him in the ambulance and save him the money”. That’s a true friend.
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:37 pm to ChunkyLover54
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but just not sure how to look at the situation.
In the end, they were just trying to take care of your child and maybe went a little overboard. It beats the gym teacher telling him to walk it off or pop it back in place themselves.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:37 pm to patnuh
Seems odd they would give Narcotics to a kid without permission. Typically you have to sign a consent form for them to give your kid an Aspirin.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:37 pm to ChunkyLover54
our hs covers kids in school sports related injuries- beyond what our insurance covers that is.
not sure how that applies to PE courses- but if it was a required activity, it should be covered.
def call the school and ask- no one at the school told me about it when my son tore his acl during football- another parent told me abt the school's ins. policy.
not sure how that applies to PE courses- but if it was a required activity, it should be covered.
def call the school and ask- no one at the school told me about it when my son tore his acl during football- another parent told me abt the school's ins. policy.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:But what if they didn't drive him to the ER?
The parents could have easily picked the kid up and drove him to the ER for free.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:41 pm to ChunkyLover54
Shoulda had Medicaid baw
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:43 pm to ChunkyLover54
Epi-pen situation?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:43 pm to L1C4
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But what if they didn't drive him to the ER?
Its the parents choice. Its a dislocated shoulder, not a heart attack. It can be put back in place without the help of a physician. Maybe they have a family member who is a physician or something like that or maybe since its happened before, they just know how to put it back in place by themselves.
Why does the school get to decide what medical care your child receives? You want them transitioning your kid next?
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:43 pm to ChunkyLover54
If what he was given is classified as “narcotic,” it’s unconscionable to administer it without at very least a phone convo with a parent.
What if he was allergic?
What if he was allergic?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:43 pm to redstickrick
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I think the EMT or ambulance operator or whoever has to get permission on the spot, absent a situation where it is not reasonable to obtain consent (alone unconscious victim, no way to contact family, etc.). Seems like since they called your wife they could have just as easily asked for consent for the ambulance ride.
Right. I mean, he was in pain in the moment. The only consent was a convo with a minor that went like "are you in pain. Ok, can we give you medicine to help?" I'm assuming they asked him anyway and why would he say no?
The ambulance was "necessary" to "monitor" him. This is all the paramedics, not the school. The school just called them.
And yes, the school had been in contact with my wife. It's not as though we were unresponsive or it was life threatening.
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I feel like you probably come out on top but always expensive and risky to fight stuff like this
For sure. I've gotten bills from the ER. Fine. I've not received anything from what happened prior to the ER with the paramedics/ambulance.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:45 pm to ChunkyLover54
Just trying to dissect this... a school has "narcotics" on hand to give out for pain. Vicodin. Oxy. Whatever. That's what you were told?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:48 pm to marigny
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If what he was given is classified as “narcotic,” it’s unconscionable to administer it without at very least a phone convo with a parent.
What if he was allergic?
It was fentanyl. And yes, you can get suspended if you keep advil in your pocket and not have the nurse give it to you.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:49 pm to Sao
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a school has "narcotics" on hand to give out for pain
not the school. the paramedics.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:50 pm to Sao
I’m with you on this.
To OP, you need to fight this. The school board will kick the can if you don’t push back.
To OP, you need to fight this. The school board will kick the can if you don’t push back.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:51 pm to ChunkyLover54
The good thing for you is that the school has little incentive to fight liability for the bill because they probably have a pretty big omnibus insurance policy to cover a range of shite including this. A relatively small ambulance ride is nothing compared to the gordon mckernan commercial level number that they have the policy to protect against. Maybe you should fight it? Also your school board rep might make it disappear with an email since they have some political skin in the game, if this is public school.
ETA: Your best bang for your buck is to email your school board rep, put on your best disappointed dad tone, and they will probably want to make this disappear before it gets on facebook with it. My thought... "I would never have consented to the narcotics for my kid if you had told us it would result in an unconsented ambulance ride." That way you're really arguing the narcotic instead of the ambulance ride, which they are probably more scared of a suit on the narcotics than the little ambulance bill. Then they pay the ambulance bill to make you go away and everyone is happy.
ETA: Your best bang for your buck is to email your school board rep, put on your best disappointed dad tone, and they will probably want to make this disappear before it gets on facebook with it. My thought... "I would never have consented to the narcotics for my kid if you had told us it would result in an unconsented ambulance ride." That way you're really arguing the narcotic instead of the ambulance ride, which they are probably more scared of a suit on the narcotics than the little ambulance bill. Then they pay the ambulance bill to make you go away and everyone is happy.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:51 pm to ChunkyLover54
That’s pretty normal, like you the only thing concerning is the narcotics being administered. The monitoring most definitely is SOP, especially with kids as they can go from perfect to dying in a flash.
Some insurance somewhere is liable for the bill. The last 3 places I lived 911 is taxpayer funded and not a single penny out of pocket for an amberlamps (NELA, NWLA, HSV, Ar)
Maybe this time is a good time to consult attorney with the narcotics and insurance stuff.
Hope the kids OK, shoulder separation is extremely painful. Seen a huge grown man literally crying like a baby with bilateral separations from trying to erect a wood fence in a wind.
Some insurance somewhere is liable for the bill. The last 3 places I lived 911 is taxpayer funded and not a single penny out of pocket for an amberlamps (NELA, NWLA, HSV, Ar)
Maybe this time is a good time to consult attorney with the narcotics and insurance stuff.
Hope the kids OK, shoulder separation is extremely painful. Seen a huge grown man literally crying like a baby with bilateral separations from trying to erect a wood fence in a wind.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:53 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The pain meds is a problem but won't cost the parent much. An Ambulance could financially bankrupt a family. And to call one for a non life threatening injury is ridiculous. The parents could have easily picked the kid up and drove him to the ER for free.
Right. Essentially the ambulance was an undisclosed condition of "do you want some medicine for the pain" in a convo with a minor. After the drugs were given, and my wife/his mother arrived, she was not permitted to take her child.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:55 pm to ChunkyLover54
At my child’s school my son had to go to hospital in ambulance. It was a school sponsored practice but the schools insurance covered it under their policy. They claimed it was for any school events or activities including classroom and outdoor activities… this is a private school FWIW
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:00 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:That's one hell of a leap.
You want them transitioning your kid next?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 4:02 pm to ChunkyLover54
I dont thin a school is allowed to keep narcotics on site to give without a prescription. That leads me to believe that the EMTs gave the narcotics. If that’s the case maybe the school called the ambo because of the level of pain your kid was in?
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