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re: Anyone ever have their kid in ambulance from school?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:12 pm to ChunkyLover54
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:12 pm to ChunkyLover54
He became the patient of the paramedics. They aren’t going to consult with the parents. No different than the car crash victim. Hell. If they didn’t administer pain medication they would get sued for that too.
What narcotic was administered?
What narcotic was administered?
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:13 pm to Boston911
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doubt you could find a medical review panel would say your child was harmed.
The consent question isn't regarding the treatment being harmful. It's based on necessity and consent to the massive charges.
It's like getting an outrageous estimate to paint my house and then the painter just does it without me approving the quote. I don't want to sue because he messed up my house. It's that I wasn't in agreement with taking on the charges, but they acted before getting my consent. I just don't want to pay for something Id never agree to.
I realize it's not apples to apples due to medical emergencies, but there are times the medical field is all to willing to do unnecessary things. Had a PA try to call an ambulance to pick me up from the clinic to take me to the ER across the parking lot because I asked to lay down when in the waiting room. Had a fever and cold sweats. Wouldn't let me leave. Settled on wife picking me up with then thi ki g we were going to the ER. Went to another urgent care clinic and tested positive for covid, got a steroid shot and felt way better. They tried to force several thousand on an ambulance ride and 1,000 plus on an ER for a fever. The medical system is broken.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:14 pm to Boston911
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we assume that a prudent person or parent would want to be treated, then we follow our protocols. While I understand your position, I doubt you have a “case”. I doubt you could find a medical review panel would say your child was harmed.
Yea, it may not be what you wanted but the kid suffered an injury that warranted a hospital trip and they arranged said trip. It may not be the preferred financial model for your family, but it’s also not likely outside a relatively standard model of care that he’d get treatment and transportation
I’d be super frustrated but not expecting that I’d be able to Sue for it either (obviously no expert - just discussing in broad strokes)
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:14 pm to tigerfoot
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What narcotic was given. What was the timing if all these events? I
The timing was quick. I only know from the time they called my wife and got there about 10 minutes later. The school told her he was injured in an pain.
He got injured. Teacher took him to nurse. Nurse correctly called paramedics who gave him the drugs.
The school did not give the drugs if that's confusing from OP.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:15 pm to ChunkyLover54
quote:file an insurance claim? Pay your copay.
concerning. IF I do receive a massive bill, I'm looking for perspective about how to approach.
Do they just put him in an ambulance while y’all were on the phone?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:17 pm to Jon A thon
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The consent question isn't regarding the treatment being harmful. It's based on necessity and consent to the massive charges.
It's like getting an outrageous estimate to paint my house and then the painter just does it without me approving the quote. I don't want to sue because he messed up my house. It's that I wasn't in agreement with taking on the charges, but they acted before getting my consent. I just don't want to pay for something Id never agree to.
This exactly.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:20 pm to tigerfoot
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Do they just put him in an ambulance while y’all were on the phone?
Basically, yes.
School called wife saying he was injured. She left. 10 mins later when she got there he was on a gurney and told she could not take him because he had been given the drugs and needed the ambulance.
She followed the ambulence and took over from there.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:23 pm to NoSaint
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Yea, it may not be what you wanted but the kid suffered an injury that warranted a hospital trip and they arranged said trip. It may not be the preferred financial model for your family, but it’s also not likely outside a relatively standard model of care that he’d get treatment and transportation
I’d be super frustrated but not expecting that I’d be able to Sue for it either
Thanks. I'm not hoping to sue and as of today there is no reason to sue (I guess there is if you try). As I've said earlier I have not heard or received anything from school or paramedics. I'm trying to gain some context of what this could look like.
I'm fine with the eventual outcome, I'm less fine the way it happened.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:28 pm to tigerfoot
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What narcotic was administered?
fentanyl
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:35 pm to ChunkyLover54
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They took him to nurse, they called paramedics, asked if he was in pain, he was, they gave him narcotics. They called my wife to say it happened, she left.
When she got there they said he had to ride in the ambulance to be "monitored" for the narcotics and she couldn't take him.
I'm glad they helped and quickly. I'm not so happy they gave him those drugs to a minor without parent permission and now expecting a $5K bill for a 1.5 mile ride to the ER.
I dont think they have the right to administer meds to a minor without parental consent in a non life threatening situation.
In another situation I had this happen at the pediatrician. Took son in for cold and he had pneumonia and a low pulse-ox. They loaded him up in an ambulance and we could not take him ourselves even though it was only a half a mile away. From what I know now of ERs it was best he went in an ambulance because he would get priority of some sort over the walkins. If we had taken him we might have sat there for 3 hrs.
In your sons case I just dont see where they have the authority to over rule your decisions in the case you described whether it be the meds or transport.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:47 pm to Jon A thon
quote:I can’t tell you how many dislocated joints I’ve treated over 35 years, but it’s a lot. Almost all are in significant paint. Couple this with being a child, while I wasn’t there, I’m fairly certain some pain mgmt was necessary,,,,it’s not a surgical or other invasive procedure we are talking about. Ask yourself this, if your child was in severe or extreme pain and were 30 mins away, would you want us to wait to give them some relief?
The consent question isn't regarding the treatment being harmful. It's based on necessity and consent to the massive charges.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 5:58 pm to Boston911
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your child was in severe or extreme pain and were 30 mins away, would you want us to wait to give them some relief?
I'm not arguing if it was right or wrong. Just pointing out what the problem was. It's not about whether the treatment was harmful.
I do believe many in the medical field suggest perfectly acceptable, but not necessary treatments/options because it's profitable.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:11 pm to ChunkyLover54
Would your own health insurance cover it? I've always just assumed a necessary ambulance ride (as determined by the medical personnel on site) would be covered. I need to go look at my coverage now.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:18 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Would your own health insurance cover it? I've always just assumed a necessary ambulance ride (as determined by the medical personnel on site) would be covered. I need to go look at my coverage now.
Some I’m sure, but all depends on how it’s coded, total cost, etc.
I don’t have a bill from them yet. But if/when I do I’m sure it won’t be cheap.
I’m not poor but not in a position to throw around thousands in unexpected expenses if I don’t have to
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:20 pm to ChunkyLover54
The school made the decision to give him the meds. The school made the decision to put him in the ambulance (unless the mother directed them to). Seems like the school would be liable for costs incurred in the long run.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:35 pm to ChunkyLover54
You may want to start with known information like your ambulance cost share/copay (just checked and mine is only $50.).
Otherwise, you're just worrying over worst case hypotheticals. Better to plan based on established facts than stress over unknowns.
Yes, IF (big If) you get stuck w entire bill and it is very costly that would be a travesty but there's no reason to believe thats going to be the case so dont get too worked up. Establish the facts about your coverage and possibly the school's as well and you will likely rest easier.
Otherwise, you're just worrying over worst case hypotheticals. Better to plan based on established facts than stress over unknowns.
Yes, IF (big If) you get stuck w entire bill and it is very costly that would be a travesty but there's no reason to believe thats going to be the case so dont get too worked up. Establish the facts about your coverage and possibly the school's as well and you will likely rest easier.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:39 pm to Jon A thon
quote:Honest question, do you believe the paramedics on scene looked at this child and said “if we give him
I do believe many in the medical field suggest perfectly acceptable, but not necessary treatments/options because it's profitable.
Pain management then we can transport him and make the company a lot of money”
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:42 pm to ChunkyLover54
It is very likely that you signed some sortof medical consent when you enrolled your child in school.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 6:44 pm to ChunkyLover54
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he's in middle school
"so he's not 17 and able to decide if he needs pain meds. Then you took my kid hostage because you gave him pain meds. So let's work this out reasonably. I'm gonna compensate you for the service time of your employees and the pain meds, but the ride to the hospital was the decision of your employee. So let's do the right thing here."
That's how that conversation needs to go. It's up to you to speak to your school board member about reimbursement after that.
that's how the conversation needs to go.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 7:10 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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You may want to start with known information like your ambulance cost share/copay (just checked and mine is only $50.). Otherwise, you're just worrying over worst case hypotheticals. Better to plan based on established facts than stress over unknowns. Yes, IF (big If) you get stuck w entire bill and it is very costly that would be a travesty but there's no reason to believe thats going to be the case so dont get too worked up. Establish the facts about your coverage and possibly the school's as well and you will likely rest easier.
Overall you’re right. I also wanted to pose the question because the whole circumstance is weird as hell to me and I’ve been fortunate enough to not ever deal with EMS care before.
Mine is like $1000 IIRC ($50? Wow) copay but with a bunch of different tiers and complications and depends on a how it ultimately comes back.
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