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Another “can I retire comfortably” question

Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Lgrnwd
Member since Jan 2018
5345 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:32 pm
3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.

Wife doesn’t work, child starting college (separate account “should” cover most of this cost). Living in an “average” cost of living area nationally. Nice but not “luxurious” lifestyle. 3 nice vacations (1 international) every year is desired.

Retirement age 53, starting 8 years from now.

My calculations say very doable. Am I missing something? (Outside of something like some crazy runaway hyperinflation at that time)

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35726 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

Nice but not “luxurious” lifestyle. 3 nice vacations (1 international) every year is desired.


Is international europe/africa/asia or more like cancun and vancouver?
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
8092 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:40 pm to
Well at 53 you can’t touch the 401k without penalty. IMO, to do this you need more after tax assets.
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3300 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:40 pm to
Subtle brag
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2913 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:17 pm to
Just when I was thinking I was in good shape…….
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3208 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:29 pm to
I'd say you've got a good shot, but why not *really* make sure by working a few more years? Every year you work is one more you don't have to fund and another year of compounding interest. You don't want to be a situation where things went south, you incurred some cost due to unforeseen circumstances, and you wish you could go back to work but can't.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11695 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.


You have this currently at age 45 or this is your target by age 53?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2182 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:30 pm to
The $300k may not be enough to bridge you to 59.5. Even if it doubles in 8 years you're looking at maybe just enough to get you to 59.5 but maybe not at your desired lifestyle. You'll likely want/need to use 72t SEPP or Roth conversion ladder to access 401k early penalty free. It would probably help with tax optimization anyway and to minimize RMDs later. Or, you could work until 55 and use Rule of 55 instead.

You dont have a Roth IRA? Look into a backdoor Roth if you are over income limit. Building a larger taxable brokerage as a bridge account and to take advantage of zero LTCG rate in low taxable income years of early retirement would also help.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24256 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 4:06 pm to
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3 million in 401k


How do people get these sums in 401K when there is a max of ~$23K a year? Two HHs contributing maxing for like 20 years....does that get there?

That big of a 401K and then such a relatively small taxable brokerage balance is a head scratcher to me.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24256 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.

Wife doesn’t work, child starting college (separate account “should” cover most of this cost). Living in an “average” cost of living area nationally. Nice but not “luxurious” lifestyle. 3 nice vacations (1 international) every year is desired.

Retirement age 53, starting 8 years from now.

My calculations say very doable. Am I missing something? (Outside of something like some crazy runaway hyperinflation at that time)



What are you monthly expenses? Pension likely covers insurance and property tax. Your monthly living expenses are the most important variable to be able to provide any real analysis of the situation.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120021 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 4:31 pm to
This is a brag. If true, you have more money than God.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37767 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:18 pm to
I'm not shocked at the amount of money you have. I am shocked that you have that much in a 401k.

Can you walk me through this? Are you sure its a 401k and not a SEP?

I can put around $60,000 a year into my SEP but 401k limits are like under $20,000.

Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22820 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:25 pm to
What are your monthly expenses?
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12989 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 6:32 pm to
These numbers at 53 would be safe for “retirement.” You also said you could work from home for $1000 a month so it’s really more cutting back work than actual retirement. You could always scale up your work from home if needed or take one vacation instead of three. You have flexibility in adjusting your budget and little fixed costs. Just don’t get crazy with your investments and diversify risk.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9385 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.



I retired years ago at 48. At that time my wife and I were 60% taxable with a ton of loss carry forwards, 5% cash/near cash and rest 401k and Roths, and a little over $60k in a HSA account at Fidelity which has grown as we have not touched it. Not knowing what tax rates will be in the future having an inordinate amount of funds in a taxable 401k could lead to some challenges. Our investment balances have grown to where we could spend $200k/year but we are currently under $130k spend rate, and my wife will start a small pension in 5 years and we will claim SS at some point but likely put it off until 67'ish. House value is roughly $825k and we owe $240k @ 1.625% for 59 more months. I think you would be fine, but if you are going to work another 5-6 years I would be stuffing money in Roth 401k, taxable brokerages, and tax loss harvest like crazy when the opportunities exist. I am going to get f'd this year due to the MMP acquisition in September and they sent me $36k in cash to offset 10+ years of non-taxed distributions, don't invest in MLP's as you will have to pay out the arse further down the road. Good luck.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
8790 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:37 pm to
quote:

3 million in 401k, house and vehicles paid off (debt free), $1500 a month pension, $300,000 in savings/liquid accounts, 50% employer paid to health insurance.



quote:

Retirement age 53,


It's very doable but how will you get by between age 53 and 59.5 without taking penalties on your 401k withdrawal? I guess you could live off that $300k if you want. That's a young age to retire without doing anything though (just my opinion)
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38922 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 9:38 pm to
How did you get $3m in 401k at 45?

Roughly $20k year for 25

You must have got some homeruns
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7364 posts
Posted on 11/14/23 at 11:34 pm to
Assuming you wait to draw social security and wait until you are 59.5 to draw from your 401k with penalty; the question is can you live off ~138k per year. That’s 4% SWR and the pension. Only you can answer that
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11040 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 9:41 am to
$3MM in a 401k is impressive at 45 or 53, for an individual.

Having said that, you can consider “retiring” at 53 but working part time or consulting until you’re 59 1/2 to avoid the early withdrawal penalty. It seems you are a good planner and will have enough to still have fun in your 50s.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10628 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:08 am to
It’s really hard to say without knowing average monthly expenses

In general, I’d say take your annual expenses including taxes, and health costs, and multiply x 25. At 53, that multiple is too low so I’d say 35.

If the result is less than the amount you have saved then you “can” do it but best to be conservative with these things
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