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TorchtheFlyingTiger

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Location:1st coast
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Interests:LSU & NC St sports, travel, finance
Occupation:FIRE'd
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 I retire to a state with no or little tax on my investment income I'm looking at about $10k a year in federal income taxes and $0 in state.

If all your income is from taxable investment accounts your $10k estimate sounds high for federal since your LTCG and qualified dividends would likely be taxed at zero. Living off long term taxable investments a near zero income tax rate is feasible on $120k and much more considering basis isnt taxed again.
Or, "If you’ve saved that much that young"
you're already accustomed to living within means, watching expenses and cutting back if necessary to meet financial goals while maintaining a comfortable but reasonable lifestyle.
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OK, but that doesn’t change the fact that achieving that number still would require an individual to save double the median US income every year of their working life

But it does change it. I didnt save that much monthly but hit it due to much better than 6% returns.
Most early retirement proponents recommend managing withdrawals to optimize for taxable income and get ACA insurance subsidies. If withdrawing Roth IRA contributions and shares with high basis you can pay little or no income tax and get subsidized health insurance premiums. Long term capital gains arent taxed at all until you exceed ~$90k married joint plus you get standard deduction and basis isnt taxed (or reportable for ACA) just gains.

Some even report getting full Pell grants for college age kids despite decent annual expenditures because simplified FAFSA doesnt ask for assets if reportable income is low enough.
A 45 year old today would have gotten much better than 6% returns simply investing in the S&P500 over past 20 years. Who knows about future markets but it could be done earning sub $150k peak.
I keep hearing about how life costs too much these days. Yet, the average consumer is paying for all these services they could do themselves. Doordash, car wash subscriptions, lawn service etc... I never see neighbors' teens even cutting their yards or washing their own cars. No wonder everyone feels broke.
$120k is comfortable living to me as an early retiree in my 40s. We have school age kids and only 3 yrs into a 30 yr mortgage and we are living well on about that much. We travel all we want but not as much as anticipated so far. Actually, trying to adjust spending up is a challenge given years of frugality during accumulation phase.
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take it you will be withdrawing from investment accounts until 59 1/2 to avoid penalties?

You can easily avoid penalties w 72(t) periodic payments, pull Roth contributions and/or Roth conversion ladder. A blend of these with taxable brokerage withdrawals can often optimize taxes.
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In the 4% scenario, the $3M is never growing..

The 4% rule of thumb is based on Trinity Study. The vast majority of cases ending balance was much higher than original nest egg.
Anyone here get this done? I've been considering some elective medical tests but hard to know whats worth paying for.

re: DIY taxes

Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger on 3/16/25 at 6:07 pm
Turbo Tax is notorious for unchanging for things you likely don't need. If you're careful what you select it can be cheaper. Other tax software is less bait and switch.

I paid nothing for freetaxusa

re: DIY taxes

Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger on 3/16/25 at 1:18 pm
Turbo Tax isnt $160 and why is a simple return taking you 2 hrs to enter?
Don't try to out smart the pros just buy an index fund and get average returns owning a bit of all the largest company stocks.

If your outlook is short term and you need this money just buy CDs or use a HYSA.
You think price weighting is better? That's a completely arbitrary method and bizarre to me that we still use.it out of tradition just because when it was created there was no better method than simply adding up closing prices.

Market cap weighting is top heavy but at least it has a rational basis.

It boggles my mind that DOW avg is still the most/first quoted on news programs. And they talk points up/down and often dont even put it in a percentage context at least.
It may be a good time to short the European market.
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These are bargain prices.

By what measure? Certainly not P/E

I dont think sky is falling either, we are just back to prices from past Fall. Was that also a bargain? That's why I dont sit on sideline waiting.

re: Inheritance 401k

Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger on 3/11/25 at 5:36 pm
Should be able to move it to an inherited IRA. Take the 10 years to gradually draw it down getting.max tax differed growth along the way but minimizing going into higher tax brackets as much as possible. If they have a low income year (take a sabbatical lose job etc) then would be good time to draw more while in lower tax bracket. Also, if the original owner was already subject to RMDs then heir has to keep taking them.

Also, there are exceptions, including those for minor children, individuals with disabilities or chronic illnesses, and those not more than 10 years younger than the original owner, who may still use the older "stretch IRA" rules based on life expectancy.