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re: Jeep Wagoneer debacle

Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:53 pm to
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17661 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:53 pm to
If you are paying 100k for a SUV, you are extremely unintelligent
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
27354 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

nd i actually did a double take the other day to look at a new Outback Wilderness that was super-nice.. but are they really more reliable than Toyotas ? I genuinely dont know .


Nobody matches Toyota/Lexus as a company. Subaru is similar to Honda now. Mazda is the Japanese company that has made the biggest jump in the last decade. They are now better than Toyota/Lexus. Brand reliability doesn't mean every car in the lineup is good though, you have to research the individual models.
Posted by Porpus
Covington, LA
Member since Aug 2022
2058 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 5:02 pm to
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I realize that Subaru has a fanatical fanbase, especially amongst the population of women who have lickher licenses.. and i actually did a double take the other day to look at a new Outback Wilderness that was super-nice.. but are they really more reliable than Toyotas ? I genuinely dont know .



They are as safe as anything ever put on the road. Toyotas are not, and I'd rather pay for head gaskets than for emergency colostomy bag surgery.

ETA: Subaru also does a much better job of keeping their dealers in line. I've never felt like I was walking into a snake pit like I do with Honda or Chevrolet, for example.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 5:10 pm
Posted by Farmtiger
West "By God" Monroe
Member since Dec 2003
2877 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:02 pm to
I drove one on a recent work trip. They are fantastic. This year I’ve driven brand new Tahoe, Expedition, Yukon, Armada. And by far the Wagoneer is the best of the lot. The Yukon was a distant 2nd. I wouldn’t think twice if I needed a full size vehicle.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:08 pm to
Somehow people will buy them.
I remember when 36 to 48 months was a long time to finance a vehicle.
Then they went to 5 yrs, 6yrs, leasing options, and 3 yrs plus a balloon payment.

If there is a demand someone will buy them.

I not a big Chrysler or Jeep fan as my perception of their products is low.
It comes from my wife having a 1980's Jeep Cherokee and that thing was in the shop all the time.

Now my father in law owned a 1980's Jeep J-10 truck.
It was horrible on gas, it was a great farm truck.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
59155 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:22 pm to
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I guess that 100k+ sticker price for a jeep product wasn't a good idea.


They aren't all $100k

The regular Wagoneer starts at $62k for the base model. The most expensive is the Grand Wagoneer L Series III that can be optioned up to $121k but I doubt they've actually made all that many of those.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
40776 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:27 pm to
rented one in Fayetteville in September it’s probably the nicest vehicle I’ve ever driven. Didn’t want to give it back
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
4720 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:29 pm to
No links or pics? Boo this man
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55895 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

Mazda is the Japanese company that has made the biggest jump in the last decade. They are now better than Toyota/Lexus.


I tend to trust your insight on cars. What makes you say this?
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14068 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:33 pm to
When the fact that it’s a Chrysler product is combined with the fact that a TOL Lexus can be had for around the same money, then no wonder.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
7882 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:37 pm to
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Currently they sit on a 532 day supply
quote:

that 100k+ sticker price
checks out
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
5514 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:51 pm to
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It doesn’t look like full size. Too low to the ground for me.



Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
27354 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

quote:
Mazda is the Japanese company that has made the biggest jump in the last decade. They are now better than Toyota/Lexus.


I tend to trust your insight on cars. What makes you say this?


Well, you shouldn't trust everything I type! I meant to type Honda which is the company Mazda has jumped in reliability.

Two other things stick out in the by manufacturer reliability in the last couple of years, BMW has jumped up into Japanese car range, quote from Consumer Reports:

quote:

Toyota, Lexus, and BMW are the top three most reliable brands in our annual auto reliability brand rankings, with the German automaker jumping up 10 spots from last year to join the two reliability stalwarts on the podium.
*

The saddest trend is Mercedes is down in the basement with Jeep, VW and GMC. Some of us are old enough to remember when Mercedes built to a standard, not to a price point.



* IMO Consumer Reports is the best source for the least biased reliability information along with following a brand or model dedicated forum. The latter takes much more time and isn't for everyone and I have had lots of heartburn as a result of seeing someone with an engine in pieces when I own that car.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
4242 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:31 pm to
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If you are paying 100k for a SUV, you are extremely unintelligen




Only if they are financing it, generally speaking.. if they are paying cash, then they probbaly just have way more money than you have, or more than you can ever conceive of having .
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
3361 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:44 pm to
My wife has a Wagoneer Series II. It was about $70K. The Grand Wagoneer is over $100K. I gotta be honest, it’s the best road trip car I’ve ever driven and that includes Escalade and Navigator. I was about to pay it off but decided not to.

I financed a small portion to get a rebate. It’s 2.9%. I’m getting 5% at Morgan Stanley so it really doesn’t make sense to do so. Now I wish I would have financed the whole thing.
Posted by threeputt
God's Country
Member since Sep 2008
24793 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:57 pm to
I have had my grand wagoneer series III for a little over two years and have zero complaints.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52112 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:01 pm to

quote:

It’s almost as if people don’t want to spend $100K on a vehicle


But we’ll give you 10 year financing!
Posted by Shotgun Willie
Member since Apr 2016
3887 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:09 pm to
Wife wants the new Lexus TX500h when it comes out. Early reviews are pretty good
Posted by Baldy
Member since May 2020
385 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:05 pm to
:it’s like the corvette dorks that think they are driving a sports car"


What qualifies as a sports car that is faster in the same price category?

"150,000 results (0.28 seconds)
The C8 Z06 recorded a time of 2:38.6 seconds around the 4.1-mile Virginia International Raceway. This made the Corvette the fastest vehicle tested in 2023, and the fastest naturally aspirated vehicle and fastest in its price category in Lightning Lap history. It was also the fifth-fastest overall.Feb 22, 2023"


Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14532 posts
Posted on 10/15/23 at 11:21 pm to
The living room with wheels.
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