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How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:15 pm
This is the $10T question that I've been asking since the vote and haven't received any solid resopnse.
The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
The Presidency is firmly DEM.
2/3 of the parts necessary to pass a budget (in any fashion) are Democrat. The DEMs are 100% fine with relying on CRs every couple of years, so you're not going to sell them on a philosophical argument. They're going to demand real concessions (ie, "working with" them and "selling out" to them) to agree to these terms. That almost assuredly means more spending.
If this isn't palatable, how does the GOP House force this issue (specified appropriations bills) through the Senate and Biden, especially if these bills offer decreased spending?
The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
The Presidency is firmly DEM.
2/3 of the parts necessary to pass a budget (in any fashion) are Democrat. The DEMs are 100% fine with relying on CRs every couple of years, so you're not going to sell them on a philosophical argument. They're going to demand real concessions (ie, "working with" them and "selling out" to them) to agree to these terms. That almost assuredly means more spending.
If this isn't palatable, how does the GOP House force this issue (specified appropriations bills) through the Senate and Biden, especially if these bills offer decreased spending?
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Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I dunno - tell them you’ll throw in some under age children?…
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
Send them reasonable/responsible bills, if they choose not to vote for them let them defend their choice. Play their blame game.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
How do you work with a SoH that lies, delays and treats those that backed him worse than he treats his political foes?
Your questions are kinda interesting too don't worry.
Your questions are kinda interesting too don't worry.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
Browbeat the imminent hazard of the backdrop of the debt and continued runaway deficit spending.
Pass spending cuts which cut across the board (removing things like "well they didn't cut defense spending omgreddszz").
When Democrats fail to support it, tar and feather them continually as "purposely trying to bankrupt the country", "wanting to create more inflation in order to create more pain for working families so they can run on 'fixing' the very thing they've created", etc.
When the government is facing a shutdown because they've refused 467 bills, make sure that's restated over and over.
In the end, the only games left are to continue trying to whistle past the graveyard or creating a continual wave of blame-shaming backed by facts to the point where they feel they have to finally vote in favor or risk their offices.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Give into the Democrats and give them what they want.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't agree with the premise that the Senate is firmly dem. The D's are 48 (47 minus Feinstine), R's are 49, and 3 independents. With Sinema and Manchin there is nothing sure with these numbers especially when it comes to $$$
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
any bill brought to the house by republicans before the 2024 election will be turned down if it doesnt include "student loan forgiveness" or some other pork from the dim wish list, and when the republicans decline to add it and the bill fails to pass the dims will claim victory and campaign on it and their constituents will eat that shite up.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
The vast majority of Americans would riot if we actually cut the budget. The neocons, neolibs and Zionists would be irate about cutting the military budget. The progressives would riot about any welfare or social spending cuts. The law enforcement bootlickers want more money for the FBI and DOJ. You have about 20% of this country that's actually fiscally conservative, and I'd wager a good chunk of them are checked out because of the futility of actually changing anything structurally.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 3:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
You have to craft something that is palatable to both parties where both parties can claim a win. If you are good you get more than you want and you get them to take less.
If they Republicans really wanted to expose the Democrats they would offer an appropriations bill with tax credits that can be applied against tax liability or student loans, or partially refundable, and pay for those credits by eliminating SALT, the mortgage home interest deduction and the EITC, and other currently available continuing education tax credits. You can craft it in a way that it is revenue neutral and deficit decreasing.
That would put the Democrats in a position of either voting against student loan relief or agreeing to spending cuts.
If they Republicans really wanted to expose the Democrats they would offer an appropriations bill with tax credits that can be applied against tax liability or student loans, or partially refundable, and pay for those credits by eliminating SALT, the mortgage home interest deduction and the EITC, and other currently available continuing education tax credits. You can craft it in a way that it is revenue neutral and deficit decreasing.
That would put the Democrats in a position of either voting against student loan relief or agreeing to spending cuts.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
Pass one with zero support and then blame the Democrats for it failing in the Senate.
Get the message out immediately that a failure to pass it in the Senate lays at the feet of the Democrats.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you get appropriations bills that Democrats will support?
Pass a budget and then wait them out.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
You send their asses the principled demand of TDPT, and if they don’t like it, tough. That’s all. That’s as far as I’ve gotten with it so far. Hopefully they just agree. If not I guess the power and wifi’s getting cut off. Maybe that’ll shock their asses into agreement.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
It could be 2/3 Republicans in both houses and nothing would get done.
They are on the same team.
They are on the same team.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
You stop caving to their demands every time things get sticky. That’s the reason why McCarthy got the boot. He actually trusted the Dems to keep him around Stop trusting them and be willing to risk the biscuit
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
When you control the spending, you control it all…. If Republicans can’t understand that, they need to seek another career
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The House is barely led by the GOP. The Senate is firmly DEM. The Presidency is firmly DEM.
So pass it in the house and let the DEMs be the ones blocking it.
Stop giving them what they want. Make tough choices. It’s not really that hard
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Sadly, the answer is that the Democrats will find 5 RINOs in the House to pass the Senate Democrat bill. So, more spending than ever before YAY. 
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Not a criticism, I agree with the premise. But you're leaving out our Goebbelsesque Propagandist Press. Just as Goebbels convinced an intelligent population Nazism was wonderful, our socialistic press is playing the same role.
This is the $10T question that I've been asking since the vote and haven't received any solid resopnse.
The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
The Presidency is firmly DEM.
With the press playing that role, and with critical legal theory backing it, there is unfortunately no way to have an intelligent conversation. It's all heat-of-the-moment emotional nonsense, and no way to assign appropriations or to run a country.
Appropriations bills that Democrats will support would currently be negotiated heavily on the right's land. What's mine is mine. What's yours is negotiable. I am not a fan of obstruction, but it's an obstruction moment.
This has to be done IAW with the no-holds-barred BAMN approach Dems have employed
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/5/23 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The House is barely led by the GOP.
The Senate is firmly DEM.
This right here shows why you’re a disingenuous clown.
Define firmly and why is one slim margin considered barely and the other as firmly.
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