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What's wrong with the running game?
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:39 pm
It's been a concern of mine and I've mentioned it (to a few downvotes but no hard feelings). They didn't run well last year and it's the same line and same group of backs that didn't make much progress over 14 games last year.
No surprise it was the same struggles last night. Slow, backup quality running backs running up the middle into the backs of lineman getting zero push.
Is it scheme? Denbrock displays absolutely zero creativity in run plays. Quality of RBs, ability of the lineman? All of the above?
No surprise it was the same struggles last night. Slow, backup quality running backs running up the middle into the backs of lineman getting zero push.
Is it scheme? Denbrock displays absolutely zero creativity in run plays. Quality of RBs, ability of the lineman? All of the above?
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Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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What's wrong with the running game?
Teams know Daniels can't threaten them down the field or run the zone read effectively
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
The problem with the running game is that he needs to get better at throwing the football
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:39 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Yes it’s because we refuse to run any packages with the QB under center. It’s crazy that after all the short yardage woes last year we haven’t fixed that.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:40 pm to Lsuhoohoo
We can’t throw. That’s at least a very big part of it. People really don’t understand that?
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:41 pm to Lsuhoohoo
You have to spread the field horizontally and vertically. The QB abilities do neither. The running backs will never have any lanes with a limited quarterback who either makes ultra conservative dump-offs or scrambles himself.
Nobody else benefits or gets involved. Everyone turns into blockers for JD.
Nobody else benefits or gets involved. Everyone turns into blockers for JD.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:42 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Simplistic and uncreative and we only play out of the shotgun which limits rushing schemes. The vast majority of our runs are either inside zone outside zone or zone read.
We did try some designs QB runs that looked like a zone read last night that were disasters because the offensive line could not block.
We did try some designs QB runs that looked like a zone read last night that were disasters because the offensive line could not block.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:42 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Isn’t it obvious? OL ain’t blocking good enough
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:43 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Is it scheme? Denbrock displays absolutely zero creativity in run plays.
Yes. That and an inability to make teams pay for loading the box.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:51 pm to Lsuhoohoo
When you get linebackers and Safeties stopping the run at 1 yard to negative yards, it's scheme and failure to spread the ball around the field. They knew how to attack LSU and LSU was unable to counter it. Blocking scheme was weak also.
It will be nearly impossible to fix this year without a change at quarterback. I don't mean that because I think Nuss is the answer to everything. I say that because the offensive scheme around Daniel's is by necessity to fit his skill set. With a different QB with different strengths you'd have a different scheme. Teams would not be able to just stack the box and shut you down.
The difference in 2019 was the ability to do everything on the offensive side of the ball. By the 2nd quarter, Joe had them figured out and already knew how he would score on them and beat them.
We don't have that with Daniels. The concerning part is that the whole off-season, whatever the hell it was they were doing, it was an attempt to develop an offensive identity around JD. If they moved to Nuss, ll Nuss' work to date has been on JDs offense, so they'd be drawing plays in the dirt.
It will be nearly impossible to fix this year without a change at quarterback. I don't mean that because I think Nuss is the answer to everything. I say that because the offensive scheme around Daniel's is by necessity to fit his skill set. With a different QB with different strengths you'd have a different scheme. Teams would not be able to just stack the box and shut you down.
The difference in 2019 was the ability to do everything on the offensive side of the ball. By the 2nd quarter, Joe had them figured out and already knew how he would score on them and beat them.
We don't have that with Daniels. The concerning part is that the whole off-season, whatever the hell it was they were doing, it was an attempt to develop an offensive identity around JD. If they moved to Nuss, ll Nuss' work to date has been on JDs offense, so they'd be drawing plays in the dirt.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 12:59 pm to Lsuhoohoo
We
Al links on oline
1 basic running play
I thought we might find a 2 one in the off-season
No deception at all
No outside running plays
No counters
Laziest coaching staff on o and d I've seen at LSU in a long while
Al links on oline
1 basic running play
I thought we might find a 2 one in the off-season
No deception at all
No outside running plays
No counters
Laziest coaching staff on o and d I've seen at LSU in a long while
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:07 pm to Lsuhoohoo
If we don't stretch the field (not sure we can with JD at QB), the defense shrinks and loads the box. Thus, no running game...
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:07 pm to Lsuhoohoo
We’re not physical on the interior.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:10 pm to Lsuhoohoo
I certainly think much of it is the scheme. Didn't like the play calling near the goal line--too many runs up the middle, with limited success.
Perhaps the Tigers missed John Emery more than most of us thought.
I was hoping to see more swing passes from JD to the running backs flaring out of the backfield.
Perhaps the Tigers missed John Emery more than most of us thought.
I was hoping to see more swing passes from JD to the running backs flaring out of the backfield.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:12 pm to Lsuhoohoo
I was disappointed in rhe play of the right side of the OL. They were beat on virtually every play in the second half. The announcers even caught FSU talking about how soft they were. Danieals was nowhere near as accurate as we were led to believe. The final nail was our coaching staff's failure to adjust in game, especially at the half.
As a side note, we missed Maason Smith. I felt bad for Wingo. After being unstoppable in the first half, FSU just triple teamed him most of the 2nd half.
As a side note, we missed Maason Smith. I felt bad for Wingo. After being unstoppable in the first half, FSU just triple teamed him most of the 2nd half.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:12 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Poor scheme for the running game, lack of push up front, no down field passing game to back the defense up. Everyone who plays us doesn’t need a defender past 10 yards because Daniels won’t stretch the field.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:22 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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What's wrong with the running game?
JD is what's wrong with the running game. JD is a good athlete that can make some plays but he is fools gold and BK is fooled.
JD cannot single handedly carry this offense on his back. I know BK is not asking him to carry the team but JD's lack of capability narrows the field for defenses. Defenses will continue to stack the box and make JD throw over the top. JD apparently HATES throwing over the top because he never does it. Until JD forces defenses to respect the entire field the running game will continue to struggle as teams man up and stack the box. He is not a Cam Newton. He has to get more people involved in the offense on a consistent basis. He has shown time after time that he fails in this regard. As much as we want JD to change he won't. JD is who he is. You will get some good plays, a lot of garbage time stats and garbage when the play matters. The JD lovers will look at the box score and see decent to good stats and not realize it's fool's gold.
In terms of stats JD reminds me of Jim Everet that used to paly for the Saints. He always had good stats but NEVER made plays when it counted, they were just garbage time stats. Championship programs make plays when it matters.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:36 pm to Lsuhoohoo
You need a o line to have a running game and you need some running backs
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:36 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Play calling is awful.
This post was edited on 9/4/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 1:43 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Terrible Oline. They were dominated all game.
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