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re: Soft White Underbelly- A Divorce Attorney’s Thoughts on Love and Marriage

Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:28 pm to
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My ex wife or I are not half as upset about it as this board is

Nobody is upset at your divorce.

People did notice your radical personality shift during and after it, though.

You're progressively been going off the deep end, and reached new heights IIT.

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People like SFP who have a personal animus



There you go again.

I am so oblivious to you, generally, I didn't even know about your coyote story that Bunk just linked ITT.

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You are responding with slurs.

Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1045 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:34 pm to
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But their emotional meltdown and constant need of validation of this pain is their own fault, for sure.


This is a kind of a chicken/egg scenario. It's entirely possible that they are good men who chose poorly and have been tortured by women, thus hating all of us.

It's equally possible that their wives come to them constantly looking for some kind of emotional connection because it doesn't exist.

And not really trying to sound harsh, just being real. A lot of anger (whatever the cause) needs to be stripped away before any healing - or meaningful dating - can happen.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:37 pm to
I really enjoyed this interview OP, thanks for posting. I also listened to the interview with the corrupt NYC cop, which was also excellent. Now I am listening to the one with former mob boss Michael Franzese. Good stuff.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:57 pm to
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That's a guy who likes to frick around but hasn't yet found out.


I just want to know what this is supposed to mean lol
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:13 pm to
I'd appreciate your friendship more than passive aggressive insults. FTR. I've always given you the benefit of the doubt.

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Maybe six months ago (give or take) he mentioned that his girlfriend in Costa Rica (I believe) contacted him about letting a female friend of hers from Venezuela and that friend's teenage son enter the U.S. and stay with Pimp. He was very proud about paying coyotes to smuggle them into the U.S. and then letting them stay at his house.


Semi-correct. My ex introduced me to a Venezuelan woman and her son while I was in central America. She actually suggested I NOT help them. So I didn't. I in fact, STRONGLY discouraged them from coming in the strongest Trumpian "build the wall" "You will be raped and possibly killed" language. They nonetheless began the journey north. The coyotes actually did grab them (and many others) north of Mexico City. But after I received photos of them in a cell with men with guns I had a choice to make. To allow them to possibly be murdered or to wire them money. This really wasn't a choice for me. I didn't doubt it then and I don't doubt it now. They subsequently made it to the border and the woman quickly moved on to Ohio where she had friends. The young man, lives here, and has become a second son to me. I love that kid. My kids love him. He has so many friends, he is relentlessly polite and cheerful, the smile never leaves his face, he's a fixture in the lives of many of us. Quite honestly, he's been a blessing. He has had two immigration hearings and his status is to be determined. I have made no effort to intervene legally on his behalf otherwise than to ensure that he has not had to receive one penny of government money. A girl I previously dated was a lawyer and she tried to offer him some advice but it was pretty much ignored. I've left his immigration where it belongs, to the US government. Does it mean I magically support open borders or think they have a right to be here? Of course not. It just means that I will save your life rather then let you die. Even you, Mo Jeaux, even after all the ridiculous slurs you've made against me.

Now you or anybody else can twist this or parse words in any prurient or assholish way you want. But I helped my 18-year-old friend in need at the single worst moment of his life. And now I see him with his GF and performing live music with my son and I feel true joy at how well he has adjusted to a really traumatic experience, after an entire childhood spent living out of a bag and sleeping on people's floors. I am happy I helped my young friend, and I feel blessed that I met the challenge. If that offends you- I'll just have to live with that. I'd invite you to our tailgate this fall so you can meet him and I'm sure you'd acknowledge the moral complexity of the choice I made. But you'd never come because you'd then experience the cognitive dissonance I felt-when ideological belief meets actual human suffering. When you see a human face, an actual human instead of an abstract idea, shite gets real very fast. And if you ever do make a huge personal sacrifice on behalf of another person, be ready for your critics to savage your reputation and slur you with impunity. On completely unrelated threads. For no other reason but to be negative and defamatory. As has happened with me here.

TLDR: Helped a guy. Not sorry that makes people who are wound really tight mad.

Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:23 pm to
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This is a kind of a chicken/egg scenario. It's entirely possible that they are good men who chose poorly and have been tortured by women, thus hating all of us.
It's equally possible that their wives come to them constantly looking for some kind of emotional connection because it doesn't exist.
And not really trying to sound harsh, just being real. A lot of anger (whatever the cause) needs to be stripped away before any healing - or meaningful dating - can happen.


This is actually a very wise post. With the caveat that I do not hate women, not even close- I adore them. I just know that sex IS and SHOULD BE at the core of the male-female dynamic. Along with the traditional Masculine/feminine dynamic. No apologies or reprimands are necessary ma'am, -we are hard wired to desire each other in a primarily sexual way. Relationship problems are easily resolved in the bedroom, as an old girlfriend used to say. Insomuch as we forget this simple truth, we do so at our own peril. And we ALL know that couple.

As for healing after divorce (or any trauma for that matter)-absolutely. It's a necessary step and will include many, many missteps. Because those long-term-marriage trauma bonds are baked in over decades. It requires deprogramming.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59461 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:24 pm to
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Even you, Mo Jeaux, even after all the ridiculous slurs you've made against me.


SFP is definitely right about your narcissism. I appreciate your willingness to help others, but other than some typical OT playground name calling on occasion, I don't recall directing a lot of ridiculous slurs your way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425616 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:26 pm to
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but other than some typical OT playground name calling on occasion, I don't recall directing a lot of ridiculous slurs your way.

The only time I've really called him out personally was in response to a thread on the rant he made after 2019 calling me out personally for criticizing O, which I brought up once the inevitable implosion occurred
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
9767 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:31 pm to
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I just know that sex IS and SHOULD BE at the core of the male-female dynamic. Along with the traditional Masculine/feminine dynamic. No apologies or reprimands are necessary ma'am, -we are hard wired to desire each other in a primarily sexual way. Relationship problems are easily resolved in the bedroom, as an old girlfriend used to say.

Sex is an important part of a relationship, but there’s also quite few other key components needed for a successful marriage. You can’t fix your marriage by just banging it out unfortunately.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:51 pm to
Two baws continuing to fixate on years-old beefs. Gee shucks, thanks for the attention, fellas. I really never knew. *Blushes

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Sex is an important part of a relationship, but there’s also quite few other key components needed for a successful marriage. You can’t fix your marriage by just banging it out unfortunately.


Lol. Of course. I said " at the core of the male-female dynamic". Did you marry your wife on the promise of really hot conversations about corning wear and her mad origami skills or because at a very basic level, the sexual chemistry was exciting and promising for the future. The lengths you all will go to just avoid saying the obvious is pretty funny. It's been so culturally programmed into everyone to avoid saying at the center of this thing we call a relationship is our need to jump each other's bones.

Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
9767 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:10 pm to
Sounds like you’ve got it all figured out brother bear.
Posted by AZBadgerFan
Scottsdale, AZ
Member since May 2013
1552 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:17 pm to
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"Its the small things." He's right, and he initially diagnosed the issues right: "cheating, etc. Is a symptom, not the cause" yet he didn't apply that to the granola/blowjob case.


I thought he did it very well. He asked the woman when she thought the marriage went south and she responded when he stopped replenishing the granola and she in turn stopped giving him blowjobs. His interpretation was they both stopped doing the small things to please the other and the marriage went into a death spiral before they could catch it and if they had kept it up the marriage probably could have been saved. I thought it was a great interview.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:23 pm to
Lost in the ensuing shitbaggery of this thread (you are welcome) was the awesomeness of that interview. That channel, however, is like mainlining depression straight into your veins. The soft underbelly needs to be a little more Up With People!

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425616 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Two baws continuing to fixate on years-old beefs

Nobody has beef with you

Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:24 pm to
Fantastic interview and the lawyer didn't pull any punches either.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
22353 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:25 pm to
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Lsupimp


Man, what the hell happened to you? I don't remember you ever being like this. Did you buy this account on eBay or something? This can't be the real pimp.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:36 pm to
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407147 posts

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My dedication to the truth is second only to my desire to crush your dreams


SFP called me a narcissist.

FTR, and seriously, we have a mutual old friend who lives in another state who can tell you a little about what I know about legitimate narcissistic abuse. Trust me, it's not about shite talking on the OT. It's actually harrowing stuff. I think with me, like you, and Mo Jeaux, you get "healthy ego" or "strong self-image". And also, I just have " legitimate a-hole parading as kindly saint" fatigue today. Hence the brutal honesty of my comments.

Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79338 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 4:37 pm to
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Man, what the hell happened to you? I don't remember you ever being like this. Did you buy this account on eBay or something? This can't be the real pimp.


In what respect? What SPECIFICALLY do you take issue with?
Posted by Garfield
Kew Gardens
Member since Dec 2011
7785 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:47 pm to
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Fantastic interview


Ditto. One of the few I wish was much longer.

Marriage is tough, but I imagine the alternative is too. I’m glad my wife and I have stayed married but I understand it’s a struggle.

It would be interesting to hear from men who regret getting divorced. My dad divorced my mom when I was very young, I wonder if he could whether he would go back and change it all. Too late to ask.

Good luck to all the married and divorced fellas out there.
Posted by windmill
Prairieville, La
Member since Dec 2005
7050 posts
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:02 pm to
he divorce rates among those groups is likely lower than your typical plant baws and oil field workers. "

Is likely lower? So you don't know one way or the other-right?
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