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re: Changing jobs frequently
Posted on 6/9/22 at 10:57 am to Ole Boy
Posted on 6/9/22 at 10:57 am to Ole Boy
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Is this just the norm these days? Looking at Linkedin and most people are averaging a job every couple of years. I would blame it on low paying jobs but most are management positions.
I think average expected stay in a position these days is like 2 years based on an article I read pre pandemic
Not getting a pension for sticking around and 3% increases aren’t getting you where you want to be. 4 jobs in last 6 years and 250% increase in pay doing it here.
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 10:57 am to Ole Boy
alot of it is to do with the fact that most people in the business world are (as a buddy coined) "Work Makers" so they have to leave a job after a year or two, so they don't have to actually show any 'real' production or value to the company.
They're good at acting the part, but don't actually accomplish shite
They're good at acting the part, but don't actually accomplish shite
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:09 am to Ole Boy
My BIL told me when I got outta Comp Sci (30 years ago) that I needed to change jobs 4-5 times to get to a competitive salary. He was right.
As a manager, I'm wary of hiring people that move around alot.
I've been in the last job for 10 years. Sometimes I really don't like what I do. I can now "retire" from it (and the requesite benefits). I could then take another job that maybe I'd like more. The thing that keeps me here is I've worked in alot of bad places to work in large corp America and this has the best culture and people. All the people on my team of 15 or so have been here 8 years and some for 25. And we are all driven and like each other. Things could be alot worse. I've been there.
As a manager, I'm wary of hiring people that move around alot.
I've been in the last job for 10 years. Sometimes I really don't like what I do. I can now "retire" from it (and the requesite benefits). I could then take another job that maybe I'd like more. The thing that keeps me here is I've worked in alot of bad places to work in large corp America and this has the best culture and people. All the people on my team of 15 or so have been here 8 years and some for 25. And we are all driven and like each other. Things could be alot worse. I've been there.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:14 am to Sneauxghost
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People quit working with bad leaders
I've had some pretty lackluster leaders throughout my entire career, but haven't ever really considered quitting because of it. Usually, I quit for large pay raises and increased flexibility
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:25 am to teke184
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This is a big reason I’m not in management. I’m good at my work but I’m not what I consider a “people person” by any means. I’m happier at my current pay level than getting paid more to do a job that doesn’t fit me because I have a low tolerance for bullshite.
Most people don’t have this level of self awareness. Honestly, I believe one of the most important roles of a leader is to help people understand not only what they are and aren’t good at, but what they do and do not enjoy. Chasing a pay bump into a position that you both hate and will be terrible at is fool’s gold.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:27 am to Joshjrn
Having children and a wife convinced me that I don’t want to herd cats as my day job.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:31 am to The Third Leg
Loyalty is an antiquated term used by companies to guilt you into staying when you are miserable.
Most of the same companies treat their employees like crap and do not respect work/life balance principles.
They also use terms like "family," this is terrible HR practice and should be banned.
Ample studies have shown that people work better when they are happier. That's why the 4 day work week is starting to become more prevalent as well.
Most of the same companies treat their employees like crap and do not respect work/life balance principles.
They also use terms like "family," this is terrible HR practice and should be banned.
Ample studies have shown that people work better when they are happier. That's why the 4 day work week is starting to become more prevalent as well.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:32 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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i see this on linkedin all the time and it's just not true
people leave jobs because they're bored with their job duties and/or unsatisfied with their pay all the time. that's not necessarily a "toxic culture"
I agree with you, though it can be a little of all of that. Back in December, I actually left a gig I enjoyed for an opportunity that, on paper, made a whole lot of sense. Fast forward a couple of months and much of what I had been told during the interview process had been misrepresented, my boss turned out to be a compulsive micromanager who habitually shielded one employee from the repercussions of her mistakes, and the consistent theme from my staff when doing individual meetings was that their work load was overwhelming. Found out after getting there that 5 of my 6 employees were new as of November because those other 5, several who had been there over a decade, all left within a three-week span in September/October. All of them were apparently at odds with my boss, the new director.
By the middle of March, I was done. Got an offer for more pay 50 miles from home on March 28th and started the new job May 1st. The protected employee and a veteran admin assistant apparently got into a public shouting match in the halls a couple of days after I left. That was the environment. In spite of the commute, I couldn't be happier, and so glad to be out of that shitshow.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:40 am to Ole Boy
I know in my field, due to low wages and burnout people are constantly coming and going and very few people stay for more than around two years. In less than a year, four people have left my team.
However, I know at a family member's small business, there's hardly been any turnover over the past ten years.
Moral of the story is the frequency of job changes is field-specific.
However, I know at a family member's small business, there's hardly been any turnover over the past ten years.
Moral of the story is the frequency of job changes is field-specific.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:45 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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i see this on linkedin all the time and it's just not true
people leave jobs because they're bored with their job duties and/or unsatisfied with their pay all the time. that's not necessarily a "toxic culture"
I think it's hard to generalize. People leave jobs because they're bored/unsatisfied with pay and/or there's a toxic culture.
There are plenty of offices with toxic cultures and turnover can be a direct result of that.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:45 am to The Third Leg
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Corporate loyalty died and so did employee loyalty.
“Would I ever leave this company? Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most.”
- Dwight Schrute
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:48 am to Ole Boy
Daughter is a chemical engineer. She is on her third job in eight years. Is that changing too much? Chemical Engineers are in demand. She is now working for a major chemical company we are all familiar with. She indicates she'd like to stay with them for a long time.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:50 am to Ole Boy
Unless they are moving for substantial promotions, job hoppers don't even get an interview from me.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:50 am to Centinel
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And then they hire the guy next to you at 10k over what you're making.
Which is why people job hop now.
Yep. And it happens in all industries.
Dont let your company BS you and doubt yourself. Know your worth and leave for the higher paying gig.
Leave on good terms though. Then you can come back to the original company a couple years later at twice the pay.
I have seen that happen many times. 
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:55 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Daughter is a chemical engineer. She is on her third job in eight years. Is that changing too much?
Is she making more money now than she would have if she stayed with the first company?
Then there's your answer.
There's a market rate for your job, there's the rate you specifically are worth, and there's the rate you're happy to accept in order to not be an FNG every 2-3 years.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Unless they are moving for substantial promotions, job hoppers don't even get an interview from me.
I would be far more interested in their narrative for why they have taken the path they have up to this point.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 11:58 am to Ole Boy
quote:Salesmen that bounce every other year to year and a half we call the "salesmen's special"
most people are averaging a job every couple of years
Year 1 - Management hopes they can sell but give them slack as they are "new".
Year 2 - it's obvious the only thing these losers ever sold was themselves to get the job.
Mgt then runs them off the first 6 months of year and then they take 6 more months to fool the next desperate sales manager.
Rinse and repeat A good "salesmen" can be a scratch golfer but also can go decades without actually selling any product they claim to represent.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:08 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Daughter is a chemical engineer. She is on her third job in eight years. Is that changing too much?
Changing jobs early in your career is the easiest way to increase your salary as a new graduate. I've been out of undergrad for 12 years. I'm on my 3rd job (5th if you count transfers from local to corporate and having one company being bought out by another and being re-hired). If I would've stayed at my first job out of school, my salary would probably be about half of what it is now. Now, that never would've happened as we had to move for my wife's schooling, but regardless I know people who are still there and only graduated one year after me. I've changed jobs, moved away, and moved back, while they are still at the same job that they had out of school, there's no way I would've been satisfied with that. That being said, I've been at my current job for 5+ years and I don't have any plans to leave.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:27 pm to Ole Boy
If I get promoted, I get 5%. If I switch companies, I get 25%.
I will say I received a job offer after a promotion last month, and my company matched and I happily stayed.
I will say I received a job offer after a promotion last month, and my company matched and I happily stayed.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:33 pm to TheDeathValley
had four jobs since 2014.
stayed at each one for 2-3 years gaining skills and experience and increased pay.
now I'm settled into a position that I'll stick around in for quiet awhile that has built in salary potential above what I was making in any of those other jobs.
pretty much how it works now.
if people are willing to move around, opportunities are there.
at least in the sector I'm in.
stayed at each one for 2-3 years gaining skills and experience and increased pay.
now I'm settled into a position that I'll stick around in for quiet awhile that has built in salary potential above what I was making in any of those other jobs.
pretty much how it works now.
if people are willing to move around, opportunities are there.
at least in the sector I'm in.
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