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Thoughts on the RaDonda Vaught (nurse convicted of negligent homicide) trial?

Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:20 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:20 am
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RaDonda Vaught, a former nurse criminally prosecuted for a fatal drug error in 2017, was convicted of gross neglect of an impaired adult and negligent homicide on Friday after a three-day trial in Nashville, Tenn., that gripped nurses across the country.

Vaught faces three to six years in prison for neglect and one to two years for negligent homicide as a defendant with no prior convictions, according to sentencing guidelines provided by the Nashville district attorney's office.


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Vaught's trial has been closely watched by nurses and medical professionals across the U.S., many of whom worry it could set a precedent of criminalizing medical mistakes. Medical errors are generally handled by professional licensing boards or civil courts, and criminal prosecutions like Vaught's case are exceedingly rare.

Janie Harvey Garner, the founder of Show Me Your Stethoscope, a nursing group on Facebook with more than 600,000 members, worries the conviction will have a chilling effect on nurses disclosing their own errors or near errors, which could have a detrimental effect on the quality of patient care.


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Vaught was tasked to retrieve Versed from a computerized medication cabinet but instead grabbed a powerful paralyzer, vecuronium. According to an investigation report filed in her court case, the nurse overlooked several warning signs as she withdrew the wrong drug — including that Versed is a liquid but vecuronium is a powder — and then injected Murphey and left her to be scanned. By the time the error was discovered, Murphey was brain-dead.


Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11439 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:22 am to
i don't know the whole story but from the bit I've read from nurses on FB they seem really upset that they can get in legal trouble for negligently killing somebody.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9648 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:23 am to
My wife is an ICU/ER RN with 19 years of experience. She tried telling me about it yesterday but I didn't care.

The only thing I remember is that according to her, nurses in the ER and ICU are trending on not taking verbal orders, which slows things down a ton. According to her, nurses are doing it because they feel the hospital threw her under the bus. Who knows.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:24 am
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:24 am to
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many of whom worry it could set a precedent of criminalizing medical mistakes



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the nurse overlooked several warning signs as she withdrew the wrong drug — including that Versed is a liquid but vecuronium is a powder

I don't know the difference between the two, but I feel like this is a pretty big indicator that she was in the wrong.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:25 am
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17919 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:24 am to
It sucks but if she ignored “several” warnings and killed someone there has to be accountability.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40162 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:25 am to
Seems like she ignored every caution along the way?

The verdict seems justified??
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
49845 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:25 am to
IWNHI
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:26 am to
My AA has been following this case since she was still in nursing school.

What she says on it:
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The scapegoat innocence. Should she have been punished? Yes she lost her license. The only reason why they came back up is cuz Medicare threatened to pull all funding from the hospital months later once they found out about it. It's all pr. The family didn't even want to press charges
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145253 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:26 am to
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. According to an investigation report filed in her court case, the nurse overlooked several warning signs as she withdrew the wrong drug — including that Versed is a liquid but vecuronium is a powder — and then injected Murphey and left her to be scanned. By the time the error was discovered, Murphey was brain-dead.
this seems like a pretty big frick up, no?
Posted by Cotten
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2018
1270 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:28 am to
I haven’t done a ton of reading on it, but from what I have read I seriously feel Vanderbilt should be criminally charged as well.

From what I understand, the family of the patient who died made the decision not to pursue charges and settled out of court. Vaught was cleared by the nursing board after that. It was only when Vanderbilt’s funding was in danger that this blew up.

Did she make a mistake (honest or otherwise..), of course! Is there some slimy political backstory and coverup by officials of the hospital and state? You can always assume so nowadays.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261538 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:31 am to
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According to an investigation report filed in her court case, the nurse overlooked several warning signs as she withdrew the wrong drug — including that Versed is a liquid but vecuronium is a powder — and then injected Murphey


This is a pretty huge screw up, doubt it can happen easily.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:32 am
Posted by GreasyCracklin
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2005
471 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:32 am to
She’s an idiot. I doubt she’s illiterate since she’s an RN, but her biggest mistake was not being able to read that the drug she thought she was given was in fact a paralytic. Topple that with the fact that what she thought she was administering is not even available in a powder, yet she kept on going and proceeded with killing her patient. That’s not a “medical mistake or error”. That’s negligence dammit and a crime that deserves consequences.

She should never be allowed to touch another patient.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25843 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:33 am to
My wife was talking about this last week and she presented it to me as more of a systemic issue rather than an individual issue. Her biggest question was why was Versed ordered by the Dr for a scan vs Ativan or Benadryl.

I haven't seen a full accounting of the case and my wife is pretty protective of nurses but it sounds like an overcharging and possibly no charges should have been filed.

Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:46 am to
A nurse with danger hair is always gonna be a no, dawg
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66364 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:48 am to
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RaDonda


never had a chance
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4906 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:50 am to
I feel like her mistake was so egregious that it borders on criminality.

Vial of Vecuronium



Vial of Versed (Midazolam)


She basically had to ignore the labeling, and the fact that Vec is a powder; thus requiring her to reconstitute it. There's even warnings on the cap and frequently little flags on the vial itself that say, "This is a paralytic." I just wonder how many other patients this chick has harmed through her negligence. How many "codes" were a result of her? I'd really be curious. How many close calls? I just think there's a lot of shite that slips through the cracks and it takes an event like this to raise awareness.

She needs to go to jail, IMO. And nurses that are afraid people are going to come for them for might want to tighten up their practices a bit.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18928 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:51 am to
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Show Me Your Stethoscope, a nursing group on Facebook with more than 600,000 members


This being the OT. I want to know how many people are going to admit running straight to this FB page to see if they are showing titties. Because that sounds like a place, "Show Me Your Stethoscope", that would show titties.
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
4946 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:52 am to
Problem is the criminalization of medical errors such as this is you will have now have facilities not reporting and in turn medical care becomes more dangerous.

You want errors to be reported, that's how you learn and mitigate future events.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27464 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:55 am to
She looks crazier than a shithouse rat.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Member since Oct 2011
19196 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 10:03 am to
Here's the details of what happened. By the way...for the SEC tie-in...this happened at Vanderbilt Hospital.

The patient had a subdermal hematoma on her head that was causing headaches and vision loss. She was alert, awake and improving. They were going to do a full body scan, and she suffered from claustrophobia, so they were giving her versed to relax.

The nurse went to get the versed in the electronic medical cabinet, and nothing came up on her electronic search for the drug. She overrode the system to allow it to search for more powerful drugs and did a name search typing in the first two letters. After typing "Ve" verconium came up. She pulled the Verconium, and gave it to the patient, who lost consciousness and never recovered. They removed her from the ventilator the net day because there was little to no hope for improvement.

Also...this nurse only graduated from Nursing school in 2014 and became an RN in 2015, but she is 37. It looks like she was a realtor who decided to go to college, got her nursing degree and killed a patient within 2 years of starting work as a nurse.
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