re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?

I had already shown to be better than Miles. But that isn't hard to do, if you look at Miles' last 3-4 seasons.

It's a bad decision because realistically the only way O succeeds if he surrounds himself with good coordinators. He is not a defensive genius or an offensive one. If he by a miracle retains Amanda, he needs to good after a good offensive coordinator.

You know it's bad when my boss who is a Gump kept telling me we should hire CEO

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Only time will truly tell but the last time LSU went down this road with Mike Archer it set the program back 15 years.

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In fairness, the destruction was caused by Archer's arrogance when it came to recruiting-- or should I say his failure to recruit. O was not my choice, but he will recruit.

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Players love O too, and he can recruit

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Im curious how many of those players that love him will be forgoing the NFL draft to stick around for their 4th year. That happens and my ears are perking up.

I give you a few games into the 2017 season before you turn on O

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Why did O keep Peveto... - roscoe mike on 11/19/16 at 3:52 pm after firing Cameron? That kind of descision making is why he isn't getting the gig. Do not want any sign of Les Miles on that staff....

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Herman is unproven

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So tired of hearing that word, unproven.

Guess what, LSU's never going to get a "proven" coach, someone decked out with championship rings, that's a pipe dream.

So the entire available coaching pool is unproven by your definition. That doesn't mean they're all equal in one big pool and it doesn't matter who you decide on for the job. There are good "unproven" coaches and there are bad "unproven" coaches. O is a bad unproven coach. Exactly what is difficult to understand about this?

You have to get the guy BEFORE he gets his rings. So the entire process of finding a good coach is determining what attributes and skills project most reliably towards a "proven" coach. If an unproven guy has a track record of winning, that's a good start.

There was really no hc search at all so yes it was a bad decision by Alleva when you had two months for the search. Alleva just blew it and I wouldn't trust him to make the next hire.

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had already shown to be better than Miles. But that isn't hard to do, if you look at Miles' last 3-4 seasons.

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if you meant "Orgeron had already shown...." then I disagree.

This is what I don't get. O didn't "do better" than Miles. O took over a program that was built in every facet by Leslie Miles. Miles hired the defensive staff, Miles hired the position coaches, etc. Cam Cameron, while his play calling may have sucked (likely thanks to Miles' meddling), could be credited with the system and technique and attention to detail that allowed Orgeron and Ensminger to pick up a machine that was calibrated, just not pointed in the right direction.

It remains to be seen what the Orgeron LSU program will look like. #Binder vs #Reality. And, if you go by the only time in O's history where he's had complete ownership, it could be an utter failure.

I didn't like the move at all when I found out. Since then I've changed my tune a little. He's done enough his last two interim stints.. He keeps the staff in place instead of a guy who isn't a homerun comes in and shakes the entire staff up possibly losing Craig and Aranda and Raymond. And who may not even be the right fit. Good coaches sometimes don't fit. See strong at UT. He loves Lsu and took less $ which helps with asst's pay. And he is an elite recruiter that will hold this current class in place. I originally wanted a fedora or gundy over O but now I just don't believe they were worth enough to shake up all of the above. I'm all on for O now!! Time to get behind him and get ready for a great 2017 season