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re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?

Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:46 pm to
Posted by TickledTiger
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:46 pm to
Just like with Miles, we are at the mercy of our coordinators. Elite college head coaches are gifted offensive or defensive "specialists" who hire coordinators to implement their philosophy.
When was the last time LSU had this type of HC??
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11303 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:00 pm to
He's a better fit at LSU than anywhere and can win here. That said it's a bad hire for a supposed national big time search.

Alleva should be fired over how this unfolded. He's demonstrated repeatedly that he's in over his head.
Posted by TickledTiger
Down & Out
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 6:27 pm to
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Alleva should be fired over how this unfolded
...absolutely
Posted by Artvandalay18
Benton Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
194 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 7:12 pm to
Let's All just relax on the hire ...I hate it And got mad too ,then I thought about it objectively for a while and came up with something to make me feel better ..we need to realize something about the head coaches job description. O is a great recruiter and motivator ..he's not gonna call plays , he's gonna hire an oc that fits what he says he wants to do ,spread offense is what he wants, something that's innovative..maybe lane kiffen or someone else that's an offensive genius ...he's not hired to motivate or do as much of the recruiting,, that's the head
Coaches job , not OCs job. Now for the dc he's gonna lock aranda down with a contract (which don't mean much these days) hopefully he stays .. he will run the defense at a high level .so coach o will have a great staff working with him....in other words, he won't be able to screw up a whole lot . He could just oversee his staff ,make a practice plan , recruit and motivate ,the guys get fired up when he talks ...he got rid of the hangovers we used to have after bama and after any other late season sec games, just like the Florida loss...that can't be a coincidence can it? He's doing something rite , so let's just be optimistic.remember , he can't screw up much without being the play callers on o and d,,it's really aranda and kiffins team if we hire kiffen.hell, he's already put the associate head coach label on Dave arAnda . He knows that he's not there for x and os, he's the new head coach cuz the recruits and the team would run threw a brick wall for him , and Aleva knows that .he was our 3 choice though lol
Posted by tiogatiger19
tioga, la
Member since Aug 2005
1513 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:21 pm to
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He may be successful, but the hiring is a failure.


This is the dumbest thing ever posted. So he can win a NC and you would consider the hire a failure lol. Every hire is successful or failure based on the coaches success or failure. This board has gone full negative retard.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:28 pm to
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We pay a $10 million buyout to fire a guy who went 141-55. Then straight up hire a guy who is 21-29

We are a laughing stock
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:36 pm to
Horrible hire.
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 8:48 pm to
They thought Tom Herman was the next Urban Meyer. They let him walk and hired the DL coach.

It's a horrible decision. If you think he's the next Urban you get on the plane and you close the damn deal Joe.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 8:49 pm
Posted by tiogatiger19
tioga, la
Member since Aug 2005
1513 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

They thought Tom Herman was the next Urban Meyer. They let him walk and hired the DL coach.

It's a horrible decision. If you think he's the next Urban you get on the plane and you close the damn deal Joe


Come on my, you can say this about Fisher and I agree. There was zero shot of getting Herman once Texas was in.
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:45 pm to
We'll never know because Joe threw a hissy fit and broke off the talks.

If he had flown to Houston, met with him face to face, countered Texas's offer, and Herman still left then yes I would agree with you.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:51 pm to
A lot of people in this thread will probably eat some of their own words.
Posted by montana
Bozeman, MT
Member since Dec 2008
1411 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:51 pm to
Opinions are like gambling. The more one sided people think the lesser side is usually correct.

I hope O proves all the nay sayers wrong.

He wasn't hired at Syracuse or Purdue because of clash of cultures. Can anyone imagine his great Cajun dialect speaking with those uppity folks?

Archer couldn't/wouldn't recruit, and LSU didn't have the money or the facilities to compete. Anrsbarer(?) couldn't compete nationally.

Curly was an idiot.

DiNardo failed because of Tepper.

No one liked the Saban hire either, but Emmett taught Saban how to work the administration. That taught Saban to be great.

Alleve has put his entire career on the line for O. He will teach O how to utilize the administration.

It's been 10 years since the Ole Miss days. He has been mentored and networked better than most college coaches in the past decade.

He has his dream job. His once in a life time chance to make his daddy proud. He will kill himself to make this work.

Please O prove the Rant wrong.

Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

Opinions are like gambling. The more one sided people think the lesser side is usually correct.

I hope O proves all the nay sayers wrong.

He wasn't hired at Syracuse or Purdue because of clash of cultures. Can anyone imagine his great Cajun dialect speaking with those uppity folks?

Archer couldn't/wouldn't recruit, and LSU didn't have the money or the facilities to compete. Anrsbarer(?) couldn't compete nationally.

Curly was an idiot.

DiNardo failed because of Tepper.

No one liked the Saban hire either, but Emmett taught Saban how to work the administration. That taught Saban to be great.

Alleve has put his entire career on the line for O. He will teach O how to utilize the administration.

It's been 10 years since the Ole Miss days. He has been mentored and networked better than most college coaches in the past decade.

He has his dream job. His once in a life time chance to make his daddy proud. He will kill himself to make this work.

Please O prove the Rant wrong.

Posted by Kirk Herbstreit
in the outhouse
Member since Jan 2005
5820 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:06 pm to
Exactly. What harm would it have caused to get turned down by Herman? It's not like O was going anywhere. Alleva didn't even try, after he promised us a top offensive minded coach.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22786 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:25 pm to
Did you miss the Head Coach part of interim HEAD COACH? Do you not realize an interim head coach is coming into a situation where the previous head coach's team was sucking. Do you realize the interim head coach has less flexibility and is therefore a harder job then just HC because it is too late to fix all the things that need fixing?

So if you aren't lying then educate yourself.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61355 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 10:36 pm to
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Other than Fisher, who else is available who is a proven, successful, top tier head coach. I suppose it depends on how you define "top tier".


Urban Meyer, Nick Saban...

But you don't have to hire that type of coach. Those coaches weren't "top tier" coaches at one point. There's plenty of guys that are current successful head coaches that could have EASILY been considered.

Coach O was a bad bad bad bad decision, and it was a lazy decision. Joe Alleva is lazy, and the guys doing the search were lazy and stupid.
Posted by Catt
Lake Charles
Member since Oct 2007
224 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:14 am to
2012 BCS National Championship game Les Miles refused to make necessary adjustments to win...I was done with him!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:33 am to
The answer is yes.

We may get lucky and it work out, but the answer is yes
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11012 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:39 am to
Lot folks up in this thread are like the idiot in Spinal Tap who thinks it's a better amplifier because the volume knob goes to 11 instead of 10...
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29233 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 6:39 am to
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awful, cheap, and a pathetic hire


All you missed was lazy. Have an upvote
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