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re: Trying to be objective...is O really a bad decision?

Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
10905 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:15 pm to
Yes... We should have kept Miles and saved some $ if this was the course we wanted
Posted by Port Royal
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:17 pm to
People in the Athletic Dept are too comfortable. It needs to be nuked.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:18 pm to
I think the circumstances around the decision (firing miles early, rushing in to the hire, not conducting a proper search) are worse than the product we probably end up getting from O if that makes sense. I don't think he's going to tank the program and he very well may catch lightning in a bottle one year if he keeps up the lights out recruiting, but I just feel we didn't explore our options nearly as closely as we should've.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73014 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:23 pm to
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Fisher lost 7 games, 3 by blowout, in less than 2 years


OH NOZ

Saban lost 8 games in 2 years with talented teams. See 2007 and 2008

Meyer lost 5 games in 2 years with a ton of talent. See 2007 and 2008.

Meyer lost 6 games in 2 more years with a ton of talent. See 2009 and 2010.

Now tell me GENIUS, what do fisher and Meyer and Saban all have in common? Not just nattys. They all have nattys at TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS as some type of coach!

This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:24 pm to
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who else is available who is a proven, successful, top tier head coach. I suppose it depends on how you define "top tier".



Please explain to me the qualifications O has to lead LSU's football team.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:25 pm to
Not at all. They'll all cry and point to ole Miss as if it's relevant. O was the rational and right hire at this time. They'll all see it eventually.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:26 pm to
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O was the rational and right hire at this time


Why?

How is he qualified to be the head coach at LSU?

What are his credentials?
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:29 pm to
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SlowFlowPro




I've always thought better of you unless you are trolling then continue.
Posted by Cadello
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:30 pm to
If he gets a great OC and other great coaches, no.
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm to
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Now tell me GENIUS, what do fisher and Meyer and Saban all have in common? Not just nattys. They all have nattys at TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS!


If you count Fisher as a non-HC for Nattys at 2 different schools-- then Coach O is in the same boat-- nattys at Miami and USC, no?
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
6257 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:31 pm to
I think you're in the wrong room for objectivity.

Nice thoughts though.

Or... you could just be pissed off and leave the country like all the hilldawg supporters.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:34 pm to
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What are his credentials



Are you really this fricking stupid?
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:39 pm to
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Are you really this fricking stupid?




Who would of hired him away from us as HC?

What qualifies Orgeron to be a Head Coach at LSU?

Maybe a better questions is what qualifies Orgeron to be a head coach at a mid-major?

I'll wait.
Posted by Rhio
Lake Charles
Member since Dec 2013
1327 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:40 pm to
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is O really a bad decision


Yes, O is a really bad decision, but even worse than ending up with O is how our esteemed AD handled the whole coaching search. And I'm not surprised considering how he handled other coaching hires here.

We should all be embarrassed that Alleva is our AD. The guy is a spineless pussy.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53681 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:45 pm to
Hiring the interim guy can end up like Dabo or like Bobby Williams, John L, and Bill Stewart.

The CEO style can work like with Dabo or the old guys who just recruit (Bobby Bowden). However, as been said ad nauseum on here, that system is heavily dependent on assistant continuity.

I see Orgeron as Brady Hoke. Very likable guy who can recruit well, but should not be running the ship.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 3:50 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 3:59 pm to
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They'll all cry and point to ole Miss as if it's relevant.


Why would it be irrelevant? would it be irrelevant if we were hiring some other team's DL coach to replace Miles?

in all the years O has been a coach, he's had only one stop where he has had full control of the reigns of his own program for several years. That one time was Ole Miss. It was an abject failure by even Ole Miss of that time frame standards.

Did SC stay afloat while he was their interim head coach? Yep. And yet, at the end of the day, SC looked at the job he did and the job he had done the only other time he'd be a full time head coach and decided to go another direction. The fact that they hired poorly doesn't make that the wrong move.

Did LSU stay afloat while he was our interim? Yep. I'd go so far as to say that LSU played better while we was the interim. I'd also add that he did precisely what nearly every poster on this site has been saying for years, which was slightly open up the offense, and he saw immediate success.

So his resume is one of one abject failure when he's the main man in charge responsible solely for hiring, firing, running the program, etc. He's had two successful, albeit minimally so, turns as the interim HC for two loaded teams which jettisoned the HC early in the season.

Frankly...the only thing that IS relevant, as far as I'm concerned, is his Ole Miss stint. As of today, he has STILL never been a successful full time head coach at any program, let alone a Power 5 one. Call me cynical, but I'd have kind of sort of preferred we hired a guy that had shown the ability to at least go .500 as a head coach of his own program before giving him ours.

The mileage of others CLEARLY varies...
Posted by Ltown_tiger
Livonia
Member since Aug 2013
2014 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:03 pm to
Yes
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11012 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:05 pm to
First, it was time for Miles to go, period (.) How Many thought Saban was a 'homerun' when he was hired? Miles?

No one the frick knows how it will turn out with O - No. The. frick. One.

O is well-credentialed and his football/coaching pedigree is outstanding: played on the same Northwestern State team with the likes of Hebert, Reasons, Duper, and Bertrand (he's a buddy of mine so I threw him in just in case he sees this) and coached under Hatfield, Johnson, Pasqualoni, Carroll, and Payton.

Not only is that an impressive-fricking-list of mentors, his years with those coaches included teams that won a boatload of things like conference and national titles, not to mention many winning records, big time games, and bowls.

He has an intangible benefit of understanding on a visceral level the meaning and importance of LSU football to the state and to its fans.

Further, he has notched plenty of time in the head coach position and, at this point in his life and career, demonstrated perhaps the most difficult and important factor in any human's development: the ability to learn from his mistakes (and presumably, others') and grow.

If anyone thinks he has a candidate resume that doesn't compare respectably with most any legitimate candidate then, with all due respect, I think you're stupid, dumb asses.

It's a perfectly reasonable hire when factoring all angles -including exigency, budget, and actual candidate availability (as opposed to wish-lists or faux-candidates angling to leverage their own deals).

We in the great LSU family, proud wearers of purple and gold (unlike those who wear the hideous-colored jerseys of the red team) should just cool down and give O a chance.

Short Version: Not a bad hire and I hope like hell it turns out good!
Posted by Ltown_tiger
Livonia
Member since Aug 2013
2014 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:07 pm to
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think it is home run.


It's not Joe. Not a homerun hire. Now go have something done with that schnoz of yours.
Posted by warau
Member since Nov 2010
2576 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:11 pm to
He will be a Gene Chizik. Hire a good OC, win the natty, switch to pro style, get fired in year 4
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