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WSJ: Trump thought opening Hormuz Straight was imminent, Iran had other plans

Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:16 am
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:16 am
WSJ: Trump considering Iran Deal not tied to nuclear development

TLDR; Trump is likely to indefinitely extend the ceasefire and end the blockade if Iran opens the Straight for traffic, however Iran wants far more than ending the blockade as part of that deal.

“Iran’s recent hardline demands for reopening the strait make it increasingly difficult for the president to manufacture a face-saving off-ramp from the conflict,” said Mona Yacoubian, director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank.

Gregory Brew, an Iran expert at the Eurasia Group consulting firm, said, “The Iranians fully believe Trump wants out and is focused on opening the strait, which is why they are playing hardball.”

Hanging over diplomatic talks since April has been the White House’s ultimatum that Iran will never obtain a nuclear weapon. Trump sought to include nuclear talks as part of broader negotiations with Iran, but those have proven too difficult, leading the White House in recent weeks to focus more on reopening the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran’s ability to essentially choke off the waterway through sporadic missile and drone attacks has proven to be powerful leverage for the country, stalling commercial traffic and roiling global oil markets. Trump has declared repeatedly in recent weeks that the Strait of Hormuz was already fully open, but each of those promises has proven premature.

If the U.S. can keep the nuclear program in check and traffic resumes in the strait, then Trump is more likely to extend the current ceasefire indefinitely, the officials said. Trump also is expected to lift the U.S. military blockade on Iranian ports if Tehran fully reopens the strait, they added.

One major complication for the Trump administration is money. Iran is seeking billions of dollars in war reparations in addition to an agreement to unfreeze the country’s assets around the world. Trump has said the White House wouldn’t allow any taxpayer money to go to Iran, although a deal appears unlikely without the U.S. unfreezing some assets, possibly with conditions attached.

There also is a dispute about whether the U.S. should issue waivers to let Iran sell oil on the open market. The U.S. had agreed to the waivers last June as part of an interim peace agreement with Iran. That ceasefire fell apart after Iran attacked ships in the strait, and the U.S. reinstated sanctions on the Iranian oil trade.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:19 am to
Trump needs to take the gloves off.

Announce Tehran is going to be leveled in 24 hours and civilians should get the frick out.

Monitor where the government officials go.

Attack those locations instead.
Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
159067 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:20 am to
You cuck

Kamala voter
Iran supporter

I covered the debate for the most ardent to save them some effort.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 10:38 am
Posted by ALTiger
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:23 am to
What I don’t understand is how the US can’t annihilate all of their Strait blocking operations? Is it just that they still have a bunch of mines in the water? Seems like we could create a safe lane and let all ships know of that lane for safe passage.
Posted by prplngldtigr
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:25 am to
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/news-out-of-iran/124370637/


You should check this thread out and watch the video.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:25 am to
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Announce Tehran is going to be leveled in 24 hours and civilians should get the frick out.

He already did that several times. He was bluffing. The Iranians called his bluff, and he backed off. You want him to try bluffing again?

Honestly, what do you want him to do? Destroy a city with 8 million people? Invade with the entire US military? Nuke em?

All you clowns who keep spouting off: "Trump needs to take the gloves off and get serious". Do you not understand that he has run through every available option in the last 6 months?

It didn't work. They won. We lost. Now it's time to go home. Trump knows it. Everyone in the world knows it.

Most important: Iran knows it. They took our best shot and they're stronger than they were before. Better get used to that idea.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 10:27 am
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
40453 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:26 am to
quote:

I covered the debate for the most ardent so save them some effort.



That’s pretty spot on
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
7196 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Announce Tehran is going to be leveled in 24 hours and civilians should get the frick out.


Will you be leading the charge when troops are sent in? Cause "leveling" hasn't worked, armchair Warhawk.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
77771 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:28 am to
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Is it just that they still have a bunch of mines in the water?
There are no mines in the water and Iran isn’t doing anything to physically close the straight. They are threatening to put mines out and that’s making insurance companies back out of insuring tankers going through the straight.

That’s why it’s laughable when people chirp that Iran is kicking our asses in all of this. They are literally doing nothing but talking.

Iran has done frick all other than making a threat. The insurance companies are the real ones “closing the straight”
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 10:29 am
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
10580 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:30 am to
quote:

Trump needs to take the gloves off.


I suspect if he ever held such intentions as an option, we’d have already seen him do so.


Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75902 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:31 am to
It has been fascinating watching the goals of this war ever so gradually shift from destroying their nukes and getting "the dust", destroying their rocket launchers and capacity to manufacture rockets, cutting off their proxies, and regime change to......

Opening the Strait of Hormuz.

Now, the only goal we ever hear anything about is the Strait.
This post was edited on 8/9/26 at 10:31 am
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
159067 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:31 am to
I’m good at recognizing patterns.
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
2149 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:32 am to
The “deal” was always fake. You have Aragachi saying XXX followed by Fars claiming all these fabricated “terms” but they can’t approve the terms without the “Supreme Leader” who is dead of course.

But the reality is there wasn’t anything to begin with.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44751 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:34 am to
I’m not sure Trump or his supporters know how to admit defeat.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
116952 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:37 am to
quote:

He already did that several times. He was bluffing. The Iranians called his bluff, and he backed off. You want him to try bluffing again?


No.

I want him to follow through.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85769 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:39 am to
quote:

WSJ: Trump thought opening Hormuz Straight was imminent, Iran had other plans


Only Trump and his base that leans on every word he said thought this.

Anyone with a fricking brain or ounce of objectivity knew it was all bullshite and it wasn't happening last Wed/Thurs as he claimed.

Trump is a snake oil salesman regarding Iran at this point. He needs to STFU
Posted by DeBoar
Member since Jan 2024
3901 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I’m not sure Trump or his supporters know how to admit defeat.


When are you all going to move to Iran?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44751 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:44 am to
quote:

When are you all going to move to Iran?


After Trump, the neocons, and liberals get done fricking it up I recon.
Posted by DeBoar
Member since Jan 2024
3901 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:45 am to
Well you sure do enjoy trying to claim victory for your Muslim friends
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
69913 posts
Posted on 8/9/26 at 10:47 am to
I agree. Listen to Caine and GTFO there. Claim a win and go home.
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