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Posted on 2/10/24 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
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If anything, this proves bail is unnecessary. Bail is there to ensure the accused will show up for court. If someone has a prior conviction, doesn’t it prove they have a history of appearing in court?
Why/how does appearing in court a previous time prove they’ll show up again?
Look, I get it, not every person should have to post bail. But you can’t argue that some people are better off being held before trial simply to protect the community.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is how a place like Oakland happens.
But crimes aren’t being committed in Oakland.
Signed,
4chubbies
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:05 am to 4cubbies
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Obviously putting record numbers of citizens in cages doesn’t actually result in a safer society. It’s time to try alternatives
You're mixing up that most people in jail are there for drugs, which by putting drug addicts in cages when caught instead of rehab is not a very good recipe for getting sober.
However, in a society few people are generally evil people. Even fewer are violently evil, and when you put THOSE people in a cage the whole society does get a lot safer.
The argument that the US puts the most people in jails is only true because what we do to simple drug possession offenses, which I think is dumb.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:12 am to 4cubbies
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What purpose does bail serve in your mind? It exists to ensure the accused appears in court.
Bail exists for two main reasons.
1.) To keep a violent person off the street until they are adjudicated.
2.) to ensure they show up for their court date.
A few years ago in my hometown a notorious drug dealer was arrested. Locked up but a Uber liberal judge put a ridiculous low bail for him and he was released.
A few weeks later he was involved in another drug deal and ran over and killed a police officer while he was trying to make an arrest. The guy should have been locked up but the judge set his bail at 5K. BTW his girlfriend who was white has her bail set at 60K by the same judge.
LINK to story
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:20 am to 4cubbies
Majority of the arrests arw poeple who are not gonna pay bail court costs nothing, no resources to tap into. Now when a arrest made to a working class citizen with a job gets into trouble, they will be financially ruined.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:26 am to 4cubbies
The answer to your original question about why have the cost of bail tippled?
I worked in bail bonds in NOLA for a time. It's all one big racket. I would assume if going by historical reasoning, the bondsman is paying off the judges and they all get rich....but idk that's just what has happened almost everywhere until everyone got caught.
I worked in bail bonds in NOLA for a time. It's all one big racket. I would assume if going by historical reasoning, the bondsman is paying off the judges and they all get rich....but idk that's just what has happened almost everywhere until everyone got caught.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:37 am to lsunatchamp
quote:Yep. GOB network.
idk that's just what has happened almost everywhere until everyone got caught.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:52 am to riverdiver
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But you can’t argue that some people are better off being held before trial simply to protect the community.
I do agree. In those cases, they should just be revoked. I don’t agree with punitive bail.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 10:58 am to lsufan1971
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Bail exists for two main reasons.
1.) To keep a violent person off the street until they are adjudicated.
2.) to ensure they show up for their court date.
This isn’t true. Bail serves one purpose. To ensure the accused appears in court.
Revocation exists to keep violent people off the streets before trial.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:05 am to 4cubbies
quote:In what article of the Constitution can I find that guarantee?
Do you disagree with the Constitution’s guarantee that all accused are innocent until proven guilty?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:09 am to 4cubbies
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Do you disagree with the Constitution’s guarantee that all accused are innocent until proven guilty?
Are you illiterate?
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:23 am to LSURussian
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In what article of the Constitution can I find that guarantee?
The phrase "innocent until proven guilty" is not in the U.S. Constitution. However, the concept is rooted in the due process protections of the 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th Amendments. The presumption of innocence is also recognized as a due process right under the 5th Amendment
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:26 am to 4cubbies
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The phrase "innocent until proven guilty" is not in the U.S. Constitution
You said it was a guarantee in the Constitution, though.
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However, the concept is rooted in the due process protections of the 5th, 6th, 8th, and 14th Amendments. The presumption of innocence is also recognized as a due process right under the 5th Amendment
Ahh...you googled it after LSURussian pointed out you were wrong.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:29 am to stout
So you don’t believe anyone has any right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
The right to own an assault rifle isn’t in the constitution either.
The right to own an assault rifle isn’t in the constitution either.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:32 am to 4cubbies
You argue like a child by making crap up. I didn't say anything even close to that. I simply pointed out that you were wrong and got called out for it.
Maybe people here would take your ideas under more consideration if you would articulate your points better instead of making stuff up.
Maybe people here would take your ideas under more consideration if you would articulate your points better instead of making stuff up.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:36 am to stout
You just hurl insults because you’re too much of a redneck to come up with a coherent argument.
Instead of posting any sort of original idea, you only insult because you’re too insecure to have anyone disagree with your ideas (if you’re even capable of having any). You go for low-hanging fruit for upvotes from other middle-aged men so you can feel good about yourself. Bless your heart.
Lucky for you, I have time to go back and forth with you today. I’m at a hair appointment and it takes a long time to put all the colors of the rainbow in my hair.
You haven’t even said why you disagree with what I said. You just said I’m wrong because you say so. Not really a compelling argument.
Instead of posting any sort of original idea, you only insult because you’re too insecure to have anyone disagree with your ideas (if you’re even capable of having any). You go for low-hanging fruit for upvotes from other middle-aged men so you can feel good about yourself. Bless your heart.
Lucky for you, I have time to go back and forth with you today. I’m at a hair appointment and it takes a long time to put all the colors of the rainbow in my hair.
You haven’t even said why you disagree with what I said. You just said I’m wrong because you say so. Not really a compelling argument.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:39 am to 4cubbies
Easy peezy! Don't commit a crime in Caddo Parish.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:42 am to 4cubbies
Yes - let’s wait for dangerous people to commit a second crime before revoking bail or setting it higher. We need to reach these youths.
Posted on 2/10/24 at 11:43 am to 4cubbies
I hurl insults at you because you deserve all of them and arguing with you is a waste of time. Your mind is made up before you even start a thread and you will lie to make your point as LSURussian pointed out.
There are people here with opposing views who are worthy of dialogue back and forward but you aren't one of them.
The bit of this thread I glanced through is people pointing out how wrong you are just like every thread you make yet you are still here not conceding at all. You're a hack better suited for DU.
Hope your new hairdo attracts a better quality homeless spouse than previously.
There are people here with opposing views who are worthy of dialogue back and forward but you aren't one of them.
The bit of this thread I glanced through is people pointing out how wrong you are just like every thread you make yet you are still here not conceding at all. You're a hack better suited for DU.
Hope your new hairdo attracts a better quality homeless spouse than previously.
This post was edited on 2/10/24 at 11:44 am
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