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re: Why have Caddo Parish's cash bail costs more than tripled since 2012?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 10:48 am to CleverUserName
Posted on 2/12/24 at 10:48 am to CleverUserName
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after less than a week under the new system,
Ok... so after a few days, opponents still oppose cashless bail. This is somehow surprising?
I realize that you will mostly likely dismiss all the evidence that bail reform did not cause an increase in crime, but here it is anyway.
SCJ Study Finds State’s Bail Reform Law Did Not Increase Crime
Does Bail Reform Increase Crime in New York State: Evidence from Interrupted Time-Series Analyses and Synthetic Control Methods
I did go digging to find evidence that supported bail reform led to an increase in crime and I did find this tragic story about a man who was charged with domestic violence getting released. He ended up killing his wife while ROR'd. I've never actually seen cashless bail promoted for violent offenses, so I was surprised to see this. I read this last night but I don't have a link right now.
Bail ‘reform’ increased crime — and misleading studies don’t prove otherwise
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“Only” 43.8% of the people released under the new bail laws got re-arrested within two years of their initial arrest, compared with 50% of people who had bail set under the old law.
This study poses a much more compelling argument that bail reform led to increased crime in New York. Yes, New York’s Bail Reform Has Increased Crime
This table shows the percentage of people rearrested in each category:
Surprisingly, it looks like the people who had bail set were more likely to be arrested than those who were ROR.
I'm curious about the re-arrest rates of people who posted bail prior to the bail reform, but I haven't been able to find this data yet.
It's also worth pointing out that this data pertains exclusively to New York.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 11:32 am
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Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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For some reason we felt compelled to try this a few years ago, the thought was we could close some pretrial facilities and save money.
Crime went so out of control there was a voter revolt.
I've been looking for information about this and found this:
Alaska Becomes Latest State to Enact Bail Reform
01.17.18
Alaska passed a bill in 2018 that largely eliminated cash bail for defendants as part of an effort to reduce the state’s ballooning prison population. Critics have referred to the program as “catch and release,” and there has been substantial political pushback.
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Unfortunately, few of these recently enacted bail reforms have been directly evaluated in these terms. One thing we can say, looking at violent crime trends across all the reform jurisdictions, is that no clear or obvious pattern emerges (see Figure 1). In six jurisdictions, violent crime decreased in the year after reforms. In all of these instances, it decreased more than the national average did in that year or decreased while the national average increased. In four jurisdictions, violent crime increased
while the national average decreased in the same year. And in one place, violent crime increased but less than the national average did.
The graph and quote were taken from this study:
Is Bail Reform Causing an Increase in Crime?
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State Sen. Mia Costello was a co-sponsor of SB 91, but she soon became convinced it was a mistake. The law may be new, she says, but it sent a clear signal to criminals that they could get away with a lot more mischief than before. The knowledge that they wouldn’t receive jail time for shoplifting or thefts below a certain dollar amount was, in Costello’s view, tantamount to a green light. “One of the reasons for having laws on the books is to send a message to the community about what is and what isn’t acceptable,” she says. “We’ve gone the opposite direction, where criminals are feeling emboldened by this law.”
After Reforming Criminal Justice, Alaska Has Second Thoughts
This isn't really about eliminating cash bail, though.
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Ok... so after a few days, opponents still oppose cashless bail. This is somehow surprising?
I know that you are completely absent of critical thought ever since you submitted yourself to be a drone that is submissive to your programming that commands you intake and regurgitate what is commanded of you. That’s ok. It has to be a humiliating and degrading life… just thinking as you are told.
We attempt to help people like you to at least try critical thinking skills. Actual cause and effect. So you can break free from your embarrassing slavery to programming. So you don’t have to be a drone.
See. The article said nothing about the people being previous opponents of it. Nothing.
As a matter of fact… what do you have to have to enact such measures? A majority. That’s what.
So you asked for a real world example. I gave you one. And now you run right back to the well of hard left liberal ran organizations and media to show useless information.
Meanwhile in the actual real world… free of thought slaves…
Politico isn’t a right leaning source..
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But just a few months ago, before the outbreak, that momentum hit a major roadblock. One of the most high-profile tests of bail reform, in New York state, sparked a political backlash and sent advocates into damage-control mode. In 2019, the New York Legislature passed one of the most progressive bail-reform packages in the United States, abolishing bail for many misdemeanors and nonviolent crimes. Soon after the law went into effect, in January 2020, the New York Police Department released figures showing a spike in crime and pointed the finger at the new, looser bail rules.
Look at that. Actual cause and effect. No twisted information. No biased opinion. Actual facts.
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The percentage of New Yorkers saying the changes would be good for the state dropped from 55 percent last year to 37 percent in January. Prominent politicians, including Governor Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio, backed a new bill to roll back many of the changes, which passed April 3.
Wait a minute??? I thought you alluded to the people against it were opponents originally?? Was De Blasio against it?
I know what the matter is….. they didn’t have you to point out a graph from an institution with an agenda. You could have fixed that right then.
Again. Just give critical thought a try. You can go back to being a thought slave if it scares you. But just try it. Give it a shot. Give it a try.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:19 pm to CleverUserName
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Again. Just give critical thought a try.
I’ve posted sources from both sides of the cash-free bail movement. But go off.
There isn’t a pattern that demonstrates that it’s a success or failure across the board. It’s all very specific to place.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:36 pm to 4cubbies
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There isn’t a pattern that demonstrates that it’s a success or failure across the board. It’s all very specific to place.
Except. There is. It’s called before and after. Not the calculus presented with garbage in and garbage out.
Actual before and after results.
You gonna sit here and say you have it figured out..but the former governor of New York State and mayor of New York City cannot see it?
THATS what you are presenting here?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 12:52 pm to CleverUserName
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Except. There is. It’s called before and after.
So what pattern do you notice?
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:06 pm to 4cubbies
San Fran.
Crime is typically categorized into two main types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, while property crimes include burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. Based on the most recent report, the San Francisco crime rate is higher than the national average by 198.7%. Specifically, there were 5323 violent crimes in San Francisco, equivalent to 696 per 100,000 individuals, higher than the national average by 88.2%. Furthermore, San Francisco recorded 47759 property crimes, amounting to 6246 per 100,000 residents, which was higher than the average by 219.6%.
Having a crime rate of 6942 per 100,000 residents, San Francisco experiences a crime rate that is 198.67% higher when compared to the national average, leading to one of the highest overall crime rates in the nation. It's important to clarify that this doesn't imply the entire city is unsafe. Like any area, San Francisco contains neighborhoods with varying safety levels and you can find areas that are notably safer than others, emphasizing the need for targeted crime prevention efforts and community engagement initiatives.
With a property crime rate of 6246 crimes per 100,000 people, San Francisco unfortunately has the distinction of being among the bottom 10% of all U.S. cities reporting crime. The likelihood of falling victim to property crime in San Francisco is alarmingly high, estimated at 1 in 17, significantly surpassing the national average. This data emphasizes the city's pressing need for concerted efforts to address and reduce property crime, ensuring a safer environment for its residents.
LINK
Crime is typically categorized into two main types: violent and property crimes. Violent crimes encompass offenses such as murder, rape, robbery, and assault, while property crimes include burglary, theft, and vehicle theft. Based on the most recent report, the San Francisco crime rate is higher than the national average by 198.7%. Specifically, there were 5323 violent crimes in San Francisco, equivalent to 696 per 100,000 individuals, higher than the national average by 88.2%. Furthermore, San Francisco recorded 47759 property crimes, amounting to 6246 per 100,000 residents, which was higher than the average by 219.6%.
Having a crime rate of 6942 per 100,000 residents, San Francisco experiences a crime rate that is 198.67% higher when compared to the national average, leading to one of the highest overall crime rates in the nation. It's important to clarify that this doesn't imply the entire city is unsafe. Like any area, San Francisco contains neighborhoods with varying safety levels and you can find areas that are notably safer than others, emphasizing the need for targeted crime prevention efforts and community engagement initiatives.
With a property crime rate of 6246 crimes per 100,000 people, San Francisco unfortunately has the distinction of being among the bottom 10% of all U.S. cities reporting crime. The likelihood of falling victim to property crime in San Francisco is alarmingly high, estimated at 1 in 17, significantly surpassing the national average. This data emphasizes the city's pressing need for concerted efforts to address and reduce property crime, ensuring a safer environment for its residents.
LINK
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:20 pm to 4cubbies
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So what pattern do you notice?
The pattern I notice is your continued use of hard leftist propaganda from leftist organizations.
I mean…. Are you going to cry if I start pulling out Breitbart or the Daily Mail?
Again, are you saying you are more informed than the former New York Mayor or New York Governor? They just needed this graph?
Look at your graph and explain why businesses are fleeing San Francisco. Tell me why multiple businesses are closing in Oakland. Why did DeBlasio.. a hard leftist… change his mind?
I mean… you wanna randomly throw out links? We can do it for 50 pages. Such as this…
About your graph……
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A recent report confirms, however inadvertently, that Cook County’s controversial limits on the use of cash bail caused more crime on the streets of Chicago and resulted in fewer defendants showing up in court. A close look at the analysis from Loyola University’s Don Stemen and David Olson—though it purports to show the opposite—makes clear that bail-reform skeptics were right to worry about how policies like Chicago’s would affect public safety and criminal justice. The reform in question took effect in 2017, when Cook County Circuit Court Chief Judge Timothy Evans required that judges not mandate cash bail unless strong reason existed to do so; the move was an effort to reduce the number of offenders held only because they could not afford to get out. Eighteen months later, Evans released a report claiming that the order had cut the jail population without causing crime to rise. Subsequent research contested this finding, arguing that Evans made key missteps in his analysis.
Key missteps? Or biased misrepresentation of information?
Now continue with your thought slave programming….
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:51 pm to CleverUserName
What specifically did you find to be incredible in their report? The foundation was founded by a WWII vet and entrepreneur, so I’m not sure what makes you believe it’s “hard leftist propaganda.”
I guess you dismiss everything that doesn’t reinforce your limited worldview.
I guess you dismiss everything that doesn’t reinforce your limited worldview.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:56 pm to 4cubbies
Lol.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 1:58 pm to 4cubbies
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I guess you dismiss everything that doesn’t reinforce your limited worldview.
I have the limited worldview
No. I dismiss it because it defies actual, on the ground, results and evidence.
For the third time… did the former mayor of New York and Governor of New York State just need you and your graphs? Could you have saved the day? Could you and a PowerPoint presentation have curtailed the crime problem in New York??
Because your information… and the actions taken by politicians who were once for bail reform.. do not line up.
Now… how could that happen? If your graph is correct… what basis did that article I linked have to write what they did?? Why did they turn back their efforts in NY?
This post was edited on 2/12/24 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:02 pm to CleverUserName
She never answers questions.
Will instead post another idiotic question.
Will instead post another idiotic question.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 2:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Why have Caddo Parish's cash bail costs more than tripled since 2012?
Who gives a crap? If you don't commit a crime, you won't find yourself concerned with what the cash bail costs are.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 6:57 pm to 4cubbies
I see you bailed from your thread to troll on the Tay Tay thread
Typical
Typical
Posted on 2/12/24 at 9:58 pm to CleverUserName
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For the third time… did the former mayor of New York and Governor of New York State just need you and your graphs? Could you have saved the day? Could you and a PowerPoint presentation have curtailed the crime problem in New York??
I don’t know what to tell you.
Overall Crime in New York City Reaches Record Low in 2020
New York crime rates in 2019 versus 2020 with Capital Region data
Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2022
New York had less violent crime than the national average in 2020. Which is what the graph indicates.
Posted on 2/12/24 at 11:34 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t know what to tell you.
Because, again, you lack critical thinking skills. And you default back to programming.
Garbage in… garbage out.
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But today, even relative progressives like Mayor Adams are having little luck with data. Last month Adams requested data-driven legislative changes that would help keep the 327 shoplifting recidivists responsible for 30% of the city’s retail theft from causing more mayhem. But his proposal was dismissed—a pattern that will likely persist unless our data-hostile climate changes. Data is also becoming more difficult to come by following a suppression in record-keeping as a result of the 2017 Raise the Age legislation. The law obscures case outcomes for approximately 83% of felonies and 75% of violent crimes committed by 16 and 17-year-olds. This makes it virtually impossible not only for crime victims and prosecutors to know case outcomes, but for policy analysts to use hard evidence to measure the legislation’s impact.
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]This erosion of deep insight by relinquishing the demand for detailed data has also crossed over into how criminal justice-policy is reported. The New York Times ran an op-ed last month sloppily claiming “2022 had the most police killings on record with Black people disproportionately more likely to be killed by police than white people.” But this echo-chamber claim, also trumpeted by The Guardian and Bloomberg, is based on a record-keeping that only began in 2013. Were police killings significantly higher in prior years? Definitely. Has evidence to date conclusively established racial bias as the reason for racial disparities among victims of police officers lethal force? Nope. So collectively uncomfortable have we become demanding real investigation that policymakers can safely claim just about anything. Since New York state bail reform, the reoffending rate has only been 1% or 2%, say our Senate majority leader and city comptroller. But how are they basing this measurement? On the small population of persistent reoffenders whom the legislation impacted? No. Are they counting each incident if an individual reoffends multiple times? No. Instead, they are counting whether or not a person reoffends — as opposed to the number of times he reoffends in total.
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[b]This city used to care about intelligent, informed policymaking – because we cared about actual New Yorkers’ outcomes. Now we only care about whose version of reality sounds (or feels) the least racist—and go with whatever policy they insist on. The city achieved truly meteoric declines in violence, imprisonment and use of police force by letting the data tell us nuanced — sometimes unintuitive — stories. If we keep muffling that data, we will never see those wins again.
Now you understand why the Governor and Mayor changed course instead of touting numbers? If everything happened as you presented… they would have taken a victory lap. But again… look at ACTUAL, on the ground, happenings and not propaganda.
THAT is why you don’t know what to say about it.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:21 pm to CleverUserName
Nothing you posted had to do with eliminating cash bail. Looks like shoplifters aren’t being prosecuted or convicted in New York.
I’m trying to understand your point, especially about the critical thinking. I’m posting data about crime rates in cities that enacted bail reform, immediately after the enacted bail reform and you’re telling me I’m incapable of critical thinking because I’m not seeing how bail reform caused 16-17 year olds to keep shoplifting in New York.
The graph I posted measured crime in NY immediately after bail reform. The years represented were 2019 and 2020, which is clearly indicated by the graph. You posted an article from the NY Post published in March 2023.
Teenagers committing property crime is certainly a huge problem nationwide.
I’m trying to understand your point, especially about the critical thinking. I’m posting data about crime rates in cities that enacted bail reform, immediately after the enacted bail reform and you’re telling me I’m incapable of critical thinking because I’m not seeing how bail reform caused 16-17 year olds to keep shoplifting in New York.
The graph I posted measured crime in NY immediately after bail reform. The years represented were 2019 and 2020, which is clearly indicated by the graph. You posted an article from the NY Post published in March 2023.
Teenagers committing property crime is certainly a huge problem nationwide.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 4:24 pm to 4cubbies
Broken record.
You ignore exploding crime numbers in San fran.
You ignore exploding crime numbers in San fran.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 4:25 pm
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