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re: Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?

Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:00 am to
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:00 am to
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Asking for a friend...


Give up your oversized home, your central air, your car, 3/4s of your pay..and then you can live like everyone else...
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:08 am to
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Oh. Well yeah. I'm a disabled vet. I've already paid my debt in full. Call it a right. Call it a privilege. Call it whatever. Makes no difference to me.


And your healthcare could be taken away at a whim. Probably wouldn’t even require congressional action. You want everyone in that situation. Those who view others healthcare as something to be envied will eventually be envious of yours and attempt to take it from you.

And thanks for your service.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:09 am to
They don't
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:17 am to
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You need look no further than Ruth Bader Ginsburg to see what can happen if people are motivated to keep someone in good health. An 80 year old woman (hell probably older) who routinely at this point "beats cancer."


And would’ve been allowed to die under any govt healthcare scheme
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:26 am to
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How stupid of you


Just a day ago you completely fell for the dumbest fake news article we’ve ever seen on this site ( LINK ), and already you’re back to calling other people stupid?

Nobody else on this site has fallen for a dumber fake news piece than you.
Posted by Jrv2damac
KS
Member since Mar 2004
73196 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:27 am to
This thread is generally why I hate liberalism.

Just terrible arguments overall on a lot of topics before even getting into the hypocrisy.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23956 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:27 am to
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Asking for a friend...


You should ask a friend in the UK what it is like to wait 8 months for an appointment with a cancer specialist.

While you are at it... ask your friend why private insurance is flourishing in these countries with this wonderful healthcare for all.

Also, ask your friend why so many doctors in Europe are moving 100% to private practice where they do not participate in the national healthcare system.

You know... since you are asking for a friend...
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
23280 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:43 am to
I’ve lived in a country with universal healthcare. It’s not all what it’s cracked up to be. Hell, my father-in-law needs a knee replacement and has been on a waiting list for a fricking year and a half.
Posted by Nigel Farage
South of the Mason-Dixon
Member since Dec 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:45 am to
Because we have been paying for Europes lack of defense so they can spend that money on free healthcare while we languish at home.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
23956 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:50 am to
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I’ve lived in a country with universal healthcare. It’s not all what it’s cracked up to be. Hell, my father-in-law needs a knee replacement and has been on a waiting list for a fricking year and a half.



Lived in the UK and Scotland for 4 years. If you have an accident and need a bone set or stitches it works fine. If you have something more serious that cannot be handled that day then be prepared to wait a long time.

Have family in Birmingham, England and they had a cancer scare and had to wait 8 months to get a biopsy result. How would anyone like to wait 8 months to find out if they had cancer?? IF they did, then that is 8 more more months that cancer had a chance to spread. Then there is another wait for treatment.

People have no idea what national healthcare is really like.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 6:54 am to
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I didn't choose to be born here


You are however, free to gtfo
Posted by TideCPA
Member since Jan 2012
14128 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:00 am to
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I don't necessarily have a problem with figuring out a better health care system. I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.


No, the word is “promote” the general welfare, not “provide for” the general welfare. That word makes all the difference in the world.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:03 am to
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one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public.


No.

The constitution states that for the general welfare of the public, a limited amount of enumerated powers are granted to the federal government.

You’ve been lied to
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:08 am to
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Hell, my father-in-law needs a knee replacement and has been on a waiting list for a fricking year and a half.


My dad just had a knee replacement done here in the terrible US of A. The surgery was done about a week after the initial consult. Terrible system we have here
Posted by Flashback
reading the chicken bones
Member since Apr 2008
8479 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:10 am to
Medicare is already watered down from what it was 15 years ago. You want to throw in 10 of millions of more people that don't contribute money to fund it?

That would be a cluster if u actually needed to use it.
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
13049 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:12 am to
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didn't choose to be born here.



Very true

But you are choosing to remain here
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
26327 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:18 am to
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First of all, it’s breaking the bank and the effectiveness of the health care systems across the globe. Many countries are trying to figure out how to allocate finite health care resources without going bankrupt, and they are mostly doing it with wait times, denial of services for a growing number of health conditions, and a multi-tiered system where the wealthy still pay for private insurance (not too unlike what we have in this country).

Secondly, the U.S. is financing the research and development of the cutting edge medicines and methods which the rest of the world gets at a huge discount.

Thirdly, the U.S. is providing military security for the free world, which allows other countries to spend their money on universal health care.

Lastly, the U.S. is going into massive debt. It’s spending money on a huge government and some significant amount is sent to other countries. The world seems to be relying on the good credit of the U.S. All of this spending must eventually be accounted for. The credit card bill is going to come in the mail eventually.

Perfect answer nicely summarized above.

OP will either not read it or doesn’t have the mental capacity to understand it. Either way, OP will continue to support the ignorant march towards socialism despite all of its failures.
Posted by LSURN98
Jupiter
Member since Oct 2019
448 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:44 am to
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We can start a whole new thread on the destruction of medicine by lesser trained, lesser educated "providers" too....


Not necessarily a bad thing, depends on the situation and takes a large burden off of docs in cases.

Since you are an anesthesiologist, ever see the study commissioned by California anesthesiologists meant to undermine CRNA’s? Well let’s just say it didn’t turn out how they had hoped. Outcomes were way better with CRNA’s. Years at the bedside matter, you see a lot, and it translates into practice. I will try to find the link.
Posted by LsuFan_1955
Slidell, La
Member since Jul 2013
1911 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:44 am to
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I didn't choose to be born here.


True, but you can certainly choose to leave. Go live in one of those places.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80913 posts
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:46 am to
Because they freeload off of us for their national defense.
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