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re: Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:42 am to volod
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:42 am to volod
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And I realize that fields like NP have become the scapegoat to get around the technicality of dealing with a doctor.
This. This is what I'm talking about. "Just a technicality". That's all the difference between an MD is. MD need a massive PR effort to teach some people.
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:43 am to Taxing Authority
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Taxing Authority
Just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to this thread. You clearly get it.
OP could learn an awful lot just by paying attention to someone like you, and probably wouldn’t need the government to give him/her other people’s money if he/she had the knowledge you possess.
I’m 100% sincere. I genuinely enjoyed reading your comments in this thread, and agree 100%.
Several other posters are worthy of recognition including the physicians and a couple of others. Unfortunately, it’s late and I’m too tired to recall or look up their usernames. One was the Helpful Doc. I’m sure the others would know who they are after reading this comment.
People like you and others in this thread are enlightened, and could and probably do profoundly influence the lives of far more people than even you realize.
Keep up the good fight!
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:43 am to memphisplaya
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Why doesn't every other first-world-country have defined freedom of speech?
The Founders made the original amendments out of concern to prevent another monarchy. Freedom of Speech was one of the most important reasons the revolution started, as nobody could insult the Crown or any of it's officers. Not being able to create unpopular speech effectively left the colonies with no representation toward England.
This is not to say other countries shouldn't adopt our laws, but perhaps their creators never really thought along the lines of protecting unpopular speech since it was a pertinent issue at the time.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 1:45 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:46 am to Taxing Authority
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:48 am to Philippines4LSU
Thank you!
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:58 am to Taxing Authority
F it, nevermind. Please pardon me.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:02 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:53 am to SiloamHog
Why does every problem that plagues us have to end in a socialist takeover of that sector by the government?
Newsflash, the laws put in place by Obama were designed to slowly break you and have YOU begging for socialized medicine. It’s much easier than forcing it down your throat.
There are changes that can be made to improve our healthcare system that don’t involve government takeover.
Newsflash, the laws put in place by Obama were designed to slowly break you and have YOU begging for socialized medicine. It’s much easier than forcing it down your throat.
There are changes that can be made to improve our healthcare system that don’t involve government takeover.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:54 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:10 am to SiloamHog
They have higher tax percentage.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:09 am to SiloamHog
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I didn't choose to be born here.
Delta is ready when you are. They can have you overseas by this afternoon. Bye
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:29 am to SiloamHog
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Why not pay for your fellow Americans insurance at no increase to you?
Lololol
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:35 am to SiloamHog
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Asking for a friend...
1. We are 5% of the world's population and take in 20% of the world's refugees.
2. We are 5% of the world's population and have 70% of the world's practicing lawyers.
These two facts alone should explain clearly to you why what may have worked in Sweden or Canada two generations ago won't work here today. But there are other reasons as well.
3. The United States is the most obese country in North America with 36.2% of its people having a BMI over 30. We're only 19th worldwide but because there are a ton of pacific island nations ahead of us. We're #1 in the first world.
4. Our debt to GDP ratio is approaching that of Greece, and the systems where we've tried it (Medicare) will be insolvent by the time anyone under age 50 needs to access it.
Single payer medicine or charitable medicine isn't IMPOSSIBLE to make work; it's just impossible to make work in the United States given it's current status as a 1.5 world nation heading for second world status.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:45 am to Taxing Authority
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My favorite are teh nurses getting NPhD and insisting on being called "Doctor". F-off.
Too late. A generation from now, you're pretty much going to be stuck seeing a noctor, not a doctor.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:47 am to Apollyon
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Also: America has the finest quality healthcare on planet Earth. Fact.
HAD. Things have changed to the point that I'm not even sure that at this point repealing Obamacare is going to fix it. In another generation you're going to end up with socialized medicine with NPs for the majority of us, and private medicine at university hospitals run by MDs/DOs for the 0.25% and high level government employees.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 4:49 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:55 am to SiloamHog
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Hell, even Mexico, who we have to build a wall against has socialized healthcare.
That should tell you all you need to know about Socialized healthcare vs ours.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:59 am to Apollyon
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But I know NO one would set foot on a plane without the highly trained, educated, and experienced CAPTAIN onboard.
We’re less than two decades from this exact thing, actually.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:20 am to BoarEd
While I don’t believe in a universal wholesale healthcare model like the UK, I do believe in a system where Charity plays a large part in health care.
At a time, health care in this country was a mission of religious orders such as, Sisters, Baptists, Shriners, and Jesuits all worked towards healing. You can see this in the names of hospitals. Others were teaching facilities where the mission was education.
Then at some point the federal government got involved requiring changes. At some point, these places could no longer keep up with the rapidly changing health care scene, or they became fixated with becoming for profit ventures with a nonprofit status.
Also, the private health care system does play a part in this system too. As you cannot have just one system otherwise it gets overloaded and overwhelmed.
At a time, health care in this country was a mission of religious orders such as, Sisters, Baptists, Shriners, and Jesuits all worked towards healing. You can see this in the names of hospitals. Others were teaching facilities where the mission was education.
Then at some point the federal government got involved requiring changes. At some point, these places could no longer keep up with the rapidly changing health care scene, or they became fixated with becoming for profit ventures with a nonprofit status.
Also, the private health care system does play a part in this system too. As you cannot have just one system otherwise it gets overloaded and overwhelmed.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:29 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:29 am to Tarps99
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I do believe in a system where Charity plays a large part in health care.
At a time, health care in this country was a mission of religious orders such as, Sisters, Baptists, Shriners, and Jesuits all worked towards healing. You can see this in the names of hospitals. Others were teaching facilities where the mission was education.
You've hit the nail on the head as to why neither a capitalist model nor a socialist model can adequately administer a system in which the concepts of maximizing profit and minimizing cost must DELIBERATELY be sacrificed to adequately serve the customer.
You want my solution for reforming health care?
1. Repeal Obamacare
2. Pass a free standing pre-existing conditions clause
3. Ban malpractice suits. In cases of assault or the most extreme gross negligence, felony or misdemeanor charges will be brought by the state as warranted.
4. Ban patents on combination medications. Double the existing length of patents for newly discovered antibiotics.
5. Ban the involvement of for profit health care *delivery* (hospitals, freestanding surgical centers, nursing homes, rehab centers, clinics, labs, imaging centers). All companies involved in the *delivery* of health care are structured as non-profits. Institute a statutory salary cap of say $750,000, COLA adjusted, for *all* employees of such institutions. Make the salaries of all such employees tax free, and student loan payments deductible.
6. Create a system of tax incentives for other for-profit companies not involved in direct health care to work with the health care delivery system.
Notice that none of the above proposals (and this is far from a comprehensive list) actually affect how medical professionals care for their patients. They all target the organizational and bureaucratic structures in which they are forced to work (which is the root of the problem).
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:41 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:37 am to BoarEd
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I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public.
Your belief is one thing and what is actually written in the Preamble are 2 different things:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
States providing the common defense and promoting the general welfare. It does not state providing general welfare. There are differences in the 2 words.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:39 am to SiloamHog
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I didn't choose to be born here
But you can choose to leave.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:43 am to SiloamHog
quote:Are you saying USA doesn't have healthcare for everyone?
Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?
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