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re: Why are we not allowing Russia to simply overrun, Ukraine?

Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:27 am to
Posted by Swamp Angel
Somewhere on a river
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:27 am to
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This war has proven that U.S. forces would go through the Russians like shite through a goose


How, exactly, would our military be able to do that once we allow Ukraine to use the majority of our stockpile of ordnance to no effect? I suppose that if we have to step in with "boots on the ground" at this point, we'll be able to stop the Russkies by screaming at them, right?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35845 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:33 am to
You've been watching way too much Tucker and watching those foolish Canadians who moved to Russia and subsequently got all of their money stolen....by the government. But, hey, they have their own version of Home Depot
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:40 am to
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But when has there been any remote threat of a ground war breaking out between Russia and any western power in the past 35 years where Russia would be in danger of invasion? Except for when Russia invades its neighbors.

What you’re saying is that Russia started a war in order to gain strategic defensive positions to prevent an invasion from Europe, when no European power has tried to invade Russia since Nazi Germany 80+ years ago


Agreed. It makes no sense. I don't believe Putin originally intended to take all of Ukraine, but after 3 years of the west's bullshite and frickery Putin figures why not?
It's obvious the west isn't interested in any peaceful resolution, it's in Russia's best interests to take it all. IMHO
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:42 am to
Japan does a good job with cultural integrity without invading its neighbors.
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:45 am to
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Why are we not allowing Russia to simply overrun, Ukraine?
Russia couldn’t if they wanted to, and they’ve wasted over 1 million lives in the process.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:00 am to
Because half of congress is on the Epstein list.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:01 am to
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What you’re saying is that Russia started a war in order to gain strategic defensive positions to prevent an invasion from Europe, when no European power has tried to invade Russia since Nazi Germany 80+ years ago

Russia controlled every access point to their core territories up until 1991, so they've only been vulnerable for less than 35 years. Unfortunately, their strategic thinking goes back hundreds of years. If they get all of Ukraine, Poland, Romania, and the Baltics will be next.
Posted by No Colors
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:01 am to
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Russia, sitting on a massive pile of natural resources, is attempting to protect itself from a robbery.


Wait.... what?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35845 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:24 am to
Bessarabian Gap is south towards Romania. Ottomans used it 400 years ago
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:26 am to
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Because they're the only geographical blocking positions where the Russians can place static forces to prevent invasion. The Northern European Plain is wide open all the way to Moscow once those are crossed. They've been invaded multiple times from those positions.


arse backwards retards over there can’t get out of the 1930s and 1940s. They need to just get with the program already and join the rest of the world in the 21st century.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22526 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:28 am to
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That’s what makes me chortle. Russia is getting its arse handed to them or at minimum struggling with little old Ukraine yet they can also conquer all of Europe.

The Ukrainians are tough.
Russians can slice through the Balkans with ease and then there's Poland whom they mistreated mightily. Russia is a bad actor. I hope we remain a rock in their shoe.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13328 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:36 am to
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Japan does a good job with cultural integrity without invading its neighbors.

Wait, what? Or are you talking about post WWII, after we nuked them? It took uranium and plutonium going critical (and firebombing the shite out of Tokyo) to keep them from invading Korea, China, Russia, the Philippines, etc. again.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85733 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:44 am to
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They also have one of the highest divorce and abortion rates in the world.


The abortion rates have declined since the fall of the Soviet Union.

But they as a people went so long using abortion as contraception under the leftists it’s just what they do.


The US has been moving in that direction.





This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 7:48 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:45 am to

The USSR lost the cold war and the successor state could have used Japan's playbook to build a nation by Russians for Russians and engaging in trade and commerce.

But even with their nukes they somehow felt threatened. They've always been paranoid like that.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10851 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:52 am to
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I don't believe Putin originally intended to take all of Ukraine,


But Putin has publicly expressed how Ukraine should not exist as a sovereign nation.

He always has wanted all of Ukraine because he believes it is Russia.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 7:56 am
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25116 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:53 am to
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Russia controlled every access point to their core territories up until 1991, so they've only been vulnerable for less than 35 years. Unfortunately, their strategic thinking goes back hundreds of years. If they get all of Ukraine, Poland, Romania, and the Baltics will be next.
We aren’t in European colonialism times anymore and the last foreign enemy to attempt any large scale invasion of Russia were the Nazis and that was before the Russians had nukes as a deterrent.

Putin wanting to take all of Ukraine and then attack a NATO country to secure some sort of geographic defensive position makes zero sense
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19076 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:11 am to
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Putin wanting to take all of Ukraine and then attack a NATO country to secure some sort of geographic defensive position makes zero sense

As Catherine the Great once said, "the only way for Russia to defend its borders is to expand them". That's why they always needed the Baltics, the Caucusus, and all of the 'Stans. Keeping that footprint is why they still have forces and a heavy intelligence presence in South Ossetia and Transnistria.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35696 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:12 am to
If they could simply overrun Ukraine, they’d have done it by now. They failed at that at the very outset of the war.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35696 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 8:16 am to
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Russians can slice through the Balkans with ease and then there's Poland whom they mistreated mightily

They can’t get to the Balkans without invading NATO countries, and all of the Balkan nations are in NATO except Serbia and BiH.

Ain’t happening.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78222 posts
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:02 am to
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Wait, what? Or are you talking about post WWII, after we nuked them? It took uranium and plutonium going critical (and firebombing the shite out of Tokyo) to keep them from invading Korea, China, Russia, the Philippines, etc. again.


yes we are talking about now, which is post WWII to be fair.
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