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Why are cities so liberal and rural areas so conservative?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:37 pm
For those not inclined to listen (or just don't have the time), a big driver is the dynamic of how needs differ between the two locations and how government plays into that.
Ken does an exceptional job of laying it out without pushing a narrative.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:40 pm to Bard
Government programs = free money. That's why.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:42 pm to Bard
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a big driver is the dynamic of how needs differ between the two locations and how government plays into that.
I'll give it a listen but I'd always assumed that. You're much, much more reliant on government in a large metro area so it's normal to want a nanny state.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:42 pm to Bard
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how government plays into that.
So I'm guessing liberals want the government to give them everything and conservatives want to do it them selves. Services that used to be provided by the church (medicine, education, caring for the poor) now come from the government. Kind of explains why liberals have replaced religion with themselves.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:44 pm to Bard
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Ken does an exceptional job of laying it out without pushing a narrative.
There isn't a narrative. It is hive mind thought process combined with people that have a much higher propensity to be reliant on others and less self sufficient that make up the entirety of the Democrat/Communist voting block.
LIberals in cities have been indoctrinated and they don't even know it. They are literal walking double-standards.
Our country has been captured, maliciously, by communism.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:46 pm to Bard
rural people are hard working people. work builds character and appreciation for things.
cities are mostly a combination of people doing well enough not to work or too lazy to work. these are the people who lack morals and decency.
idle hands lead to idol worship
cities are mostly a combination of people doing well enough not to work or too lazy to work. these are the people who lack morals and decency.
idle hands lead to idol worship
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:49 pm to Bard
Bonhoeffer wrote a letter about stupid people while in prison. Great insights, and solidified in my mind that stupid people are the biggest danger to any society, not evil people.
Here's the whole letter if any of you are interested; Bohnhoeffer theory on stupid people.
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If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid. We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them. We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who lives in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem.
Here's the whole letter if any of you are interested; Bohnhoeffer theory on stupid people.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:53 pm to Bard
I’ll add. In rural you are more accountable for your actions. More people know you and that makes a big difference. You have a community where everyone cares about it. Trouble makers stick out and everyone knows who they are.
You don’t have that in inner cities. Just gobs of people who don’t know each other. That person you pass in sidewalk could be looking for a new victim or be a responsible person but you have no idea. They could pull a knife out and stab you or just keep walking - its a game of chance that usually everyone becomes a victim at some point.
Cities are all pro big government and rural wants government to stay the hell away.
Ironically, rural is more social. And rural os more caring. They would feed you and not bat an eyelash. They are social and talk more in meaningful ways. Cities is less social because you are among strangers, and its dangerous to talk to some folk.
You don’t have that in inner cities. Just gobs of people who don’t know each other. That person you pass in sidewalk could be looking for a new victim or be a responsible person but you have no idea. They could pull a knife out and stab you or just keep walking - its a game of chance that usually everyone becomes a victim at some point.
Cities are all pro big government and rural wants government to stay the hell away.
Ironically, rural is more social. And rural os more caring. They would feed you and not bat an eyelash. They are social and talk more in meaningful ways. Cities is less social because you are among strangers, and its dangerous to talk to some folk.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:55 pm to dnm3305
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Our country has been captured, maliciously, by communism.
Wtf no same person believes this
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:57 pm to Bard
Rural Data Centers will change this dynamic.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:58 pm to Bard
It’s pretty simple to me
Cities rely on collective or shared resources and less on individual resources. Shared transit for instance. People living in a city are more inclined to rely on government for something.
In rural areas the reliance is on self. People who don’t require government resources are more inclined to detach from a collective or shared mindset. They’re not so concerned with what the government can do for them.
Cities rely on collective or shared resources and less on individual resources. Shared transit for instance. People living in a city are more inclined to rely on government for something.
In rural areas the reliance is on self. People who don’t require government resources are more inclined to detach from a collective or shared mindset. They’re not so concerned with what the government can do for them.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:59 pm to Bard
This thread is going about how I thought it would. 
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:00 pm to Bard
People in cities get the benefits of tax dollars while people in rural areas don’t.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:00 pm to Bard
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a big driver is the dynamic of how needs differ between the two locations and how government plays into that.
I didn't watch the video, but from this comment I assume they are talking about how people need the government to function in large cities because a breakdown is far more catastrophic than in rural areas?
That certainly is a part of it, but in reality, cities attract liberals more than conservatives. Cities offer far more amenities (restaurants, night life, style, etc.) which attracts younger, typically college educated people (who tend to vote more liberal). These places are more tolerant to immigrants (who also tend to vote liberal). This gentrification leads to cost of living increases, which tend to push out working class people to more rural areas.
In short, a lot is self-selection. Liberals prefer larger amentiy rich cities, while conservatives prefer more open spaces and nature.
Funny thing is that all of this results in something called the "Urban Doom Loop". Conservatives cities get nicer and offer more amenities -> Liberals flock to said city and vote higher taxes for more amenities -> businesses/wealthy flee -> Tax revenue drops -> services cut -> people leave -> cycle repeats.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:04 pm to Bard
Because in rural areas people work.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:06 pm to Bard
Producing things verses pushing paper and talking about things.
Not to be so folksy, but if your hands are in the dirt you have to do things in the real world, if your head is in the clouds you can vote based on happy thoughts.
Not to be so folksy, but if your hands are in the dirt you have to do things in the real world, if your head is in the clouds you can vote based on happy thoughts.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:15 pm to OU Guy
Cities are the engines of economic growth, science and innovation, and social mobility. In that regard it makes sense rural communities are more traditional/conservative leaning vs urban communities being more liberal/progressive leaning.
Cities are inherently a more complex existence with more regular interactions with people and entities. Complexity requires more of an arbiter of problems, disputes, rules. Government serves as that arbiter.
Economic inequality is more visible and pronounced in cities which fuels liberal populism. The target of liberal populism tends to specifically be the “rich” as the “rich” are the true “others” in urban communities. Every city has poor and middle class folks of every stripe and color.
Rural communities have plenty of inequality as well which likewise fuels conservative populism. However right wing populism tends to target other ethnicities or religions not present in rural communities as the targeted “others” as opposed to the “rich.”
I don’t agree. Living in close quarters brings a lot of social accountability. That accountability though requires a regulatory state and system in a city. I’ve seen plenty of unofficial dumps on rural property in Mississippi and it happens because it’s out of sight. You cant ever be nearly as out of sight in a city. I’m not sure either breeds any more or less accountability than the other. But the systems of that accountability are different and likely explain this city mouse v country mouse political split.
Cities are inherently a more complex existence with more regular interactions with people and entities. Complexity requires more of an arbiter of problems, disputes, rules. Government serves as that arbiter.
Economic inequality is more visible and pronounced in cities which fuels liberal populism. The target of liberal populism tends to specifically be the “rich” as the “rich” are the true “others” in urban communities. Every city has poor and middle class folks of every stripe and color.
Rural communities have plenty of inequality as well which likewise fuels conservative populism. However right wing populism tends to target other ethnicities or religions not present in rural communities as the targeted “others” as opposed to the “rich.”
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In rural you are more accountable for your actions.
I don’t agree. Living in close quarters brings a lot of social accountability. That accountability though requires a regulatory state and system in a city. I’ve seen plenty of unofficial dumps on rural property in Mississippi and it happens because it’s out of sight. You cant ever be nearly as out of sight in a city. I’m not sure either breeds any more or less accountability than the other. But the systems of that accountability are different and likely explain this city mouse v country mouse political split.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:16 pm to Flats
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I'll give it a listen but I'd always assumed that. You're much, much more reliant on government in a large metro area so it's normal to want a nanny state.
right now i don't want the city to tell me what I can and can't do with my property like redoing my fence or adding a deck.
i expect my tax dollars to provide good roads and a safe environment in a homogonous community.
if you're in an apartment in Manhattan, you sure as hell want regulation that your upstairs neighbor remodeling his bathroom has culpability if it leaks. You also can't really keep a car so public transport is very important.
you also are in a diverse society, so you can't understand why somebody in the sticks wouldn't want to deal with extra crime so that they can have nice falafels.
rural/suburban people have a fundamentally different relationship with the government.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:16 pm to SoFlaGuy
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Government programs = free money. That's why.
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