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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre playing right into the old morality playbook. Didn't take much to get you there.
Republicans who are scared are as big a threat to society as Marxists. In many instances, it’s becoming hard to tell the difference.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Okay I’ll play this game . So the criminals who get shot , the obese person that has a heart attack or the drug addicted should not be hospitalized due to taking up resources at a hospital ? Let’s go another step forward , poor people need care but they don’t have insurance so no hospital care for them as it takes up resources better used . Let’s just not help the poor at all now as we can use those monies ourselves from having less taxes
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:25 am to prplngldtigr
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Who bears that responsibility when It’s a vaccinated patient taking up a bed?
Your responsibility for the negative externalities of your actions decreases based on how responsible you were in avoiding infection/severe reactions. Vaccinations, masking, distancing, etc. all play a part.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are plenty of others,
Feel free to tell the class.
But before you being, the one about gunshot victims being denied service because they were overwhelmed with ivermectin overdoses has already been proven as fabricated bullshite. Just as I'm sure this story is as well.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is just to shame those who aren't vaccinated, right out of the left wing authoritarian playbook.
Shame is not tied to any political side.
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SFP was a liberal, became libertarian, now is flipping back to progressive.
Again. Straw man.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm discussing personal responsibility
What does this look like?
If you're not vaxxed, refuse treatment so all these faux turnaways can be treated?
Get vaccinated, though you disbelieve it, just to appease the terrified?
Hide in my home? (Which would be the utmost in personal responsibility)so I can virtue signal my morality?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He's arguing you don't deserve health care if someone vaccinated needs it.
Nailed it right here, I think the argument is over now
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:28 am to Nosevens
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So the criminals who get shot , the obese person that has a heart attack or the drug addicted should not be hospitalized due to taking up resources at a hospital ?
You clearly did not read the OP.
When there is an epidemic of obese people or gunshot victims taking up a disproportionate amount of hospital beds in a recognizable pattern, your argument will make sense.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:28 am to Padme
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Nailed it right here
You claiming his straw man "nails it" is hildariously sad.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Vaccinations, masking, distancing, etc. all play a part.
And you think you’re the most intelligent person posting in this thread
When your fatass and others like you have heart attacks that ultimately cause my insurance rates to go up, will you be sending me a check to make up the difference?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:29 am to Padme
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He's arguing you don't deserve health care if someone vaccinated needs it.
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Nailed it right here, I think the argument is over now
Yep, you should step aside and let all those vaccinated people get treated first!
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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When there is an epidemic of obese people or gunshot victims taking up a disproportionate amount of hospital beds in a recognizable pattern, your argument will make sense.
Do you think that’s not happening now?
How scared of Covid are you?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you're not vaxxed, refuse treatment so all these faux turnaways can be treated?
I never said they should refuse treatment or be denied treatment. Why do you keep coming back to this? It's a straw man.
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Get vaccinated, though you disbelieve it, just to appease the terrified?
Hide in my home? (Which would be the utmost in personal responsibility)so I can virtue signal my morality?
And you accused me of emotional thinking and hyperbolic arguments?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:30 am to Open Your Eyes
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When your fatass and others like you have heart attacks that ultimately cause my insurance rates to go up, will you be sending me a check to make up the difference?
This was already addressed in OP.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:31 am to the808bass
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Do you think that’s not happening now?
Not where people are denied beds.
Now with obesity it will almost assuredly happen in a few decades. I do believe that.
And yeah obesity is almost always a personal decision and it's a matter of personal responsibility. I've never argued otherwise.
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How scared of Covid are you?
I've had covid once, likely twice. Not at all.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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straw man
You wouldn't have to use this to avoid simple questions if you actually knew answers.
Unvaxxed people have a responsibility to themselves, like every other human on earth. I owe you nothing.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Currently those who are fully dependent on the govt for their healthcare (Medicaid) are NOT required to be vaccinated. In my non legal opinion, the only group that “could” be required to be vaccinated are the ones that have deferred to the govt for their healthcare. IMHO, the govt almost assumes a parent type role and could have a say in treatment.
IMHO, if those folks WERE MANDATED it would cause a serious dent in the capacity issues. If there is a starting point on required vaccination, working class folks ARE NOT IT and the data/science/common sense back that up.
IMHO, if those folks WERE MANDATED it would cause a serious dent in the capacity issues. If there is a starting point on required vaccination, working class folks ARE NOT IT and the data/science/common sense back that up.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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This was already addressed in OP.
No it wasn’t you self-important moron. Show me where you talked about how your inevitable heart attack affects my future insurance rates in your op.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:it’s kind of like white flight. People one at a time made rational decisions, but the end result was that a million people sentenced a million other people to an early death by the results of those rational decisions
This completely removes the "personal healthcare decision" argument from the table. If your choices lead to a negative outcome to others, then your choices are well beyond just a personal choice. This is the part of the argument that many unvaccinated people refuse to admit (For obvious reasons. Nobody wants to admit that they're a villain).
Posted on 9/14/21 at 8:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You wouldn't have to use this to avoid simple questions if you actually knew answers.
I'm not going to answer questions premised on straw man arguments. Your straw man argument is already collecting ignorant followers, why would I perpetuate the lie more?
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