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re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:34 pm to America250
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:34 pm to America250
Only an invasion of privacy if you’re trying to hide something. If it helps catch criminals or provide evidence for prosecution, I’m all for it. A lot of good can come out of this.
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Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:35 pm to America250
So, this brings up a question.
How many of these "Ring" type door cameras companies require a subpoena or warrant to divulge recordings?
How many of these "Ring" type door cameras companies require a subpoena or warrant to divulge recordings?
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:41 pm to Wolfwireless
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How many of these "Ring" type door cameras companies require a subpoena or warrant to divulge recordings?
The "Ring" footage belongs to the home or business owner who can give it to whoever they please. Flock cameras are subject to agreement with local agencies as to how long the footage is maintained and what other agencies can view them. The Flock system also restricts to "legitimate law enforcement purposes" and has an audit feature that records who views the footage and when. That is what is catching all the unauthorized access.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:41 pm to TimeOutdoors
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think they are great. It is a great way to engineer out crime. If people know they are more likely to get caught they will be more likely not to commit the crime.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Good intentions don't prevent a police state, nor validate violations of constitutional rights.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:42 pm to TimeOutdoors
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I think they are great. It is a great way to engineer out crime. If people know they are more likely to get caught they will be more likely not to commit the crime.
How would you feel if law enforcement showed up at your door and said they wanted to search your house with no probably cause and no warrant? It would be a great way to engineer out crime. I have no doubt you would be happy to let them in.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:45 pm to Ingeniero
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They probably help solve crimes but I'm not sure I trust that police will use them only for the right purpose.
There's already news articles of cops being fired for misusing them to stalk people.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:51 pm to America250
I have a mixed opinion. The basic idea of it sounds great on paper in cases of stolen vehicles/amber alerts/etc, but there is too much corruption for me to feel totally comfortable with it. This definitely is a slippery slope.
Edit: I'm not going to lose sleep or protest about it, however. We don't really have privacy outside of our homes anymore anyways. And since I don't commit crimes (for now), I shouldn't have much to worry about. But like I said... Slippery slope.
Edit: I'm not going to lose sleep or protest about it, however. We don't really have privacy outside of our homes anymore anyways. And since I don't commit crimes (for now), I shouldn't have much to worry about. But like I said... Slippery slope.
This post was edited on 8/6/26 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:54 pm to SallysHuman
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wonder if "marginalized people" will be as effective in discontinuing Flock as they have been in getting rid of shot spotter in some areas.
In MY area of town, they most certainly will be.
Nobody in this area reports gunfire unless there's a body to clean up.
I will bet 2 months rent the "hoodies crowd" starts shooting them down. I'll also bet that most of them won't give 2 cents if anybody gets hit when the rounds come back down, either.
I don't think these idiot govt officials thought that far out. Or don't care, if they did.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:56 pm to DeBoar
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They’ll also start selling data to private companies.
Expect to get more car insurance ads in the mail. Absolute best case scenario.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:56 pm to Wolfwireless
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I don't think these idiot govt officials thought that far out. Or don't care, if they did.
Like most government policies and enforcement actions, they will be likely targeted to the compliant among us. Lawbreakers already get away with shenanigans- additional tools aren't likely to change that.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:57 pm to Ryan3232
blown away by the number of "I don't commit crime why should I worry" people.
People are against surveillance cameras because they invade personal privacy, enable mass tracking, and risk misuse by authorities. These concerns focus on three main areas: privacy loss, data abuse, and lack of legal limits.
If you have no problem with giving government/authorities more control, I guess there isn't any reasoning with you.
People are against surveillance cameras because they invade personal privacy, enable mass tracking, and risk misuse by authorities. These concerns focus on three main areas: privacy loss, data abuse, and lack of legal limits.
If you have no problem with giving government/authorities more control, I guess there isn't any reasoning with you.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 12:59 pm to America250
I don't have an issue as long as well maintained and regulated.
They do help with solving crime.
They do help with solving crime.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:00 pm to goatmilker
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Only if they can be locked from viewing and requested to be opened to a 24 on call judge in the state. All request public. But can all that be handled correctly.
There's already cops being caught misusing them. Just do a search for police fired for flock
The number of hits is surprising.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:06 pm to BCvol
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law enforcement has access to data that doesn't require a warrant, then that data should be available to the public.
Please think that through.
I don't think that most parents want their kids whereabouts being available to any pedo sitting in a coffee shop.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:08 pm to Wolfwireless
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There's already cops being caught misusing them.
Some People have misused guns, so I assume you are in favor of banning all guns?
Some people have misused cameras in phones. Do we ban all cell phones or just ban having cameras in them?
How about cars, they can be misused - ban them as well/
Any and all technology can be misused just as any and all laws can be broken. You punish the wrongdoers, not ban the technology.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:09 pm to Wolfwireless
I assume everything I do off my property is recoreded anymore.
I read a story here in Ark thhis morning.
A couple robbed an ATM in south Ark somewhere.
They swapped cars right after but somehow they found out the tag of the car they were in.
They enteed the tag number into a data base and a flock cam picked it up about 100 miles away. Theives were arrested shortly there after.
I read a story here in Ark thhis morning.
A couple robbed an ATM in south Ark somewhere.
They swapped cars right after but somehow they found out the tag of the car they were in.
They enteed the tag number into a data base and a flock cam picked it up about 100 miles away. Theives were arrested shortly there after.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:12 pm to America250
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Mine is: These cameras are an unwarranted invasion of privacy.
Same, and I will continue driving with my tailgate down until the last one is removed.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:16 pm to War Eagle 777
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you want to ban flock cameras because someone misused them. Isn't that the exact argument the gun control people make? Because a few abuse guns, they should be banned for all?
Come on dude.
That's a pitiful argument. Since both are unconstitutional from the very start.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:19 pm to Wolfwireless
They need to start issuing speeding tickets with them.
Do that then the revolution will begin. Most people don’t know how many are out there.
Do that then the revolution will begin. Most people don’t know how many are out there.
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:21 pm to Wolfwireless
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dude.
Dude: I have not heard that phrase in a while. How old are you? Actually a camera observing a public road is not any more unconstitutional than someone standing on the sidewalk watching traffic on that same road.
I agree your argument is pitiful but it is the exact same rationale the gun control people use
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