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War Eagle 777
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re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 9:56 pm to Boom33
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These are voluntary and you choose to share that data.
That was the argument the government made and was rejected by SCOTUS. They focused on how tracking a cell phone can be tracked even on private property and how no one seems to be able to not have one attached. They also mentioned that very few people know their phones do this and even fewer no that their carrier keeps it.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 9:48 pm to Boom33
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And as you mentioned - NEED A WARRANT to get the information. It's not even close to being the same thing.
So are you fine with Flock if a search warrant was required?
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 8:24 pm to Red Eagle
BTW your cell phone sends a signal to a cell site every 2 minutes. It does so whether your phone is in a public area or in a private residence. The location of every tower you ping is recorded by your carrier. It is called CSLI and can be obtained with a search warrant.
Also for you folks who use Google Location History, that gives your precise location (not just tower) and is also kept by Google. It can be obtained with a search warrant.
Also for you folks who use Google Location History, that gives your precise location (not just tower) and is also kept by Google. It can be obtained with a search warrant.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 7:54 pm to RunningJacket
Or drones with cameras right above their heads
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 7:51 pm to Red Eagle
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It was me presenting what a quick internet search provided and you trying your hardest to justify government surveillance using 3rd parties.
Never rely on the internet when arguing legal points.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 7:48 pm to Red Eagle
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It was me presenting what a quick internet search provided and you trying your hardest to justify government surveillance using 3rd parties.
Never trust the internet on legal matters, you end up looking bad every time
re: ICE intervenes in a Houston-Venezuelan love story
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 6:37 pm to idlewatcher
My bet is that his kids tipped ICE off to save the inheritance. You know how those young ones feel about Boomers keeping the fruits of their labor
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 6:33 pm to Red Eagle
Red Eagle. FYI, Chatrie v. United States, 146 S.Ct 2878 decided 6/29/26 is a much better case for your argument (you are welcome). BTW both Carpenter and Chatrie involved private data bases (Google CSLI and HL).
I suspect when a case makes it to SCOTUS they will rule that Law Enforcement will need a search warrant to obtain the Flock info in the absence of exigent circumstances.
. Don't get mad because I fact checked your your pseudo legal argument and found it wanting
I suspect when a case makes it to SCOTUS they will rule that Law Enforcement will need a search warrant to obtain the Flock info in the absence of exigent circumstances.
. Don't get mad because I fact checked your your pseudo legal argument and found it wanting
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 4:11 pm to Red Eagle
Red Eagle - the Short version of that is "SCOTUS has not ruled that viewing a vehicle passing by on a public road is a search. Further SCOTUS has treated automobiles very differently. A warrant less search of a vehicle can be conducted when a search warrant is required to search a house.
In Carpenter v U.S. SCOTUS held that tracking a phone for 127 days required Police to obtain a search warrant (very much like the requirement to get a court order to install a GPS tracker). It did not hold that a data base containing that info can not be created.
However my point stands. All the other data bases I cited can be used to create a similar profile of someone's movements and actions. Requiring a warrant is far different than demanding the technology be banned. So what are people demanding Flock tech be banned but not the other?
In Carpenter v U.S. SCOTUS held that tracking a phone for 127 days required Police to obtain a search warrant (very much like the requirement to get a court order to install a GPS tracker). It did not hold that a data base containing that info can not be created.
However my point stands. All the other data bases I cited can be used to create a similar profile of someone's movements and actions. Requiring a warrant is far different than demanding the technology be banned. So what are people demanding Flock tech be banned but not the other?
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 1:56 pm to Sweep Da Leg
I hear the concern but do not understand the selective outrage. Of all the data bases that have been collected and are still being collected, Flock has more safeguards than most. The local government that leases the cameras (and determines where they are placed) also control what other agencies the info is shared with, how long the date is retained and who and under what circumstances the data can be viewed.
So if you want the Flock cameras removed, what about all those other data bases?
So if you want the Flock cameras removed, what about all those other data bases?
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 1:43 pm to Wolfwireless
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Watch it bub. If you wanna start the ad hominen bullshite, I'm not a fun person to get into a fight with. I'll let my posting history speak for me, because this ain't worth my time unless you wanna fight.
Your answer is unworthy of further response so do not worry. Good day you keyboard bad arse!
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 1:21 pm to Wolfwireless
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dude.
Dude: I have not heard that phrase in a while. How old are you? Actually a camera observing a public road is not any more unconstitutional than someone standing on the sidewalk watching traffic on that same road.
I agree your argument is pitiful but it is the exact same rationale the gun control people use
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 1:08 pm to Wolfwireless
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There's already cops being caught misusing them.
Some People have misused guns, so I assume you are in favor of banning all guns?
Some people have misused cameras in phones. Do we ban all cell phones or just ban having cameras in them?
How about cars, they can be misused - ban them as well/
Any and all technology can be misused just as any and all laws can be broken. You punish the wrongdoers, not ban the technology.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 12:41 pm to Wolfwireless
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How many of these "Ring" type door cameras companies require a subpoena or warrant to divulge recordings?
The "Ring" footage belongs to the home or business owner who can give it to whoever they please. Flock cameras are subject to agreement with local agencies as to how long the footage is maintained and what other agencies can view them. The Flock system also restricts to "legitimate law enforcement purposes" and has an audit feature that records who views the footage and when. That is what is catching all the unauthorized access.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 12:23 pm to America250
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Why dont you agree to turn over all your gun's serial numbers, makes and models. to a private company so they can place them in a database. That should help deter criminals right? Sheesh.
So you want to ban flock cameras because someone misused them. Isn't that the exact argument the gun control people make? Because a few abuse guns, they should be banned for all?
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 12:20 pm to KiwiHead
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there's no chance law enforcement will abuse this tool.
So far unless you are married to, ex-spouse or current or ex-boyfriend or girlfriend - the odds are that they are not abusing it (lol)
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 12:18 pm to parrothead
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o not be massed surveilled by the government and have all of that information uploaded to a data base somewhere. Not saying it does not happen via other methods like cell phones but I don't support that either. we are all fricked.
Your complaint then is not that you have a right to privacy, but how the data is stored and accessed. You are being surveilled whether you like it or not. The best you can do is to put in place safeguards to try to prevent it being misused and prosecute the hell out of anyone who violates it.
Just think what the data base for your credit cards show. What you buy and where, what type of gas and where you buy it - what you eat and where and much more. They no only don't safeguard that data, they sell it to others
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 11:58 am to DeBoar
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next year they will be live cameras on every street. Sorry but my privacy doesn’t go away because someone else says they have nothing to hide.
Hate to break it to you but that ship has sailed. You have traffic cameras on most major roads and downtowns - you have ring cameras and private surveillance cameras at houses capture movement on streets and everyone has a camera in their phones. If you leave your house, it ain't private anymore.
re: What is your take on the use of Flock Cameras?
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/6/26 at 11:51 am to TigerToGeaux
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invasion of privacy by government. No other way to view it.
You voluntarily go out in public (on a public road). What is your expectation of privacy?
re: Lane is about make OM pay
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/3/26 at 11:58 am to Lucado
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There has to be consideration paid for the contract to be enforceable. That's a fundamental principle of contract law. It's my understanding that the players transferred approximately 10 days after signing the rev share agreements. Were they paid money up front when they signed, or within that 10 day window? I don't know the answer to that, but I've seen nothing from the Ole Miss side to indicate that they were. If I sign a financing agreement with Toyota and they don't give me a car I don't owe them shite.
Depending on State law, consideration does not have to be money. It can be a promise. There is also the concept of "detrimental reliance". A suit can also be for specific performance
re: Lane is about make OM pay
Posted by War Eagle 777 on 8/3/26 at 11:48 am to Gator Fever
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f the contract was valid I don't blame Ole Miss for trying to enforce it. This NIL/transfer at will mess needs to be brought under control.
This needs to be done on players and also on coaches who breach a contract to go somewhere else. Buyouts should go both ways
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