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re: What is the remedy for government colluding with private business to censor speech?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 11:10 am to Wtodd
Posted on 12/6/22 at 11:10 am to Wtodd
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Revolution
The only fricking answer and I support it
The idea that we're going to shoot our way out of this is ridiculous. Not that it wouldn't work, but you're delusional if you think a bunch of guys that "sheltered in place" and allowed themselves to be locked out of their businesses, churches and schools because of a virus they were gaslighted about - that any of them are going to fire even one of their 50,000 stockpiled rounds of ammo for the cause is retarded. You might as well sign over your 401-Ks and hand in your weapons now.
The only real remedy is to defund the federal government. The only practical way of doing that is through a Convention of States. Expecting elected political leaders to defund the very machine they're in charge of doesn't work - hell, even Trump grew government, and made it more powerful and intrusive by wide margins, and he's the best president we've had since Reagan.
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Posted on 12/6/22 at 11:38 am to David_DJS
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The only real remedy is to defund the federal government. The only practical way of doing that is through a Convention of States
IF this was tried, guess who will fire the first shots? The Fed
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:13 pm to David_DJS
and the Patriots were batshite crazy thinking they could stand against the British Empire.
i know modern tech makes things different, but right does not change and God does not change. this is why the 2nd exists. hopefully the 2nd can be used diplomatically.
i know modern tech makes things different, but right does not change and God does not change. this is why the 2nd exists. hopefully the 2nd can be used diplomatically.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:16 pm to GumboPot
Ppl go to jail for breaking basic laws, they have went way beyond that to individual freedoms and liberties.
The first amendment, literally the most important thing that came first, in which should be absolute.
The first amendment, literally the most important thing that came first, in which should be absolute.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:17 pm to GhostOfFreedom
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Massive defunding of agencies. Starting with DOJ.
You're not wrong, but there is a 0% chance of that happening.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 12:26 pm to GumboPot
The gallows.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:51 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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You're not wrong, but there is a 0% chance of that happening.
Why 0%? I don't understand the deaf ears re: a Convention of States. It's the very tool/weapon the founders gave states to keep an unwieldy federal government in check.
Moreover, it favors small states. It's the Electoral College on steroids. California has exactly the same vote South Dakota has, so the fear sometimes heard about a COS shitting out bad amendments is baseless. It might be the only "institution" left where conservatives and (actual) centrists have the majority of power, and the tentacles of big business are not well developed. How much influence does BlackRock have in Pierre, Montgomery, Boise and Bismarck?
A COS called with the following singular/plainspoken remit would make good and practical sense - to limit federal spending to 15% of GDP. Not bothering with all the detail here, but there'd be a process to reach the 15% cap played out over some number of years (perhaps 5?), and certain terms would be defined to eliminate the possibility of workarounds by Congress. Spending above the 10% ceiling would require approval by two-thirds of state legislatures (war time, for example).
FYI - Biden's FY23 budget played out over a decade yields federal spending at 25% of GDP, and that's with rosy predictions of GDP growth. For reference, federal spending was 17.5% of GDP in 2000.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:51 pm to GumboPot
What does this have to do with Desantis?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 1:59 pm to GumboPot
Just huddle in the cold and dark. The new AI bot will be doing all your posting for you anyway. 
Posted on 12/6/22 at 2:58 pm to Oswald
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DOJ/CIA/NSA need to be torn down to the ground and rebuilt from scratch.
Once the problem is fixed I'm not sure why we'd recreate it.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 3:14 pm to GumboPot
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That fact that CISA explicitly says they work with Big Tech to control mis, dis and mal information is clearly a first amendment violation and unconstitutional, right?
James Woods filed a civil suit against the DNC for censorship. Massive class action lawsuits are the best weapon
Posted on 12/6/22 at 5:56 pm to oklahogjr
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Once the problem is fixed I'm not sure why we'd recreate it.
I could get on board with that…
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:08 pm to GumboPot
"Remedy"? Many posters know we a past any such solution. We are in a 'perfect storm' of an open Border with tens of millions of poor folk moving into what was a 'gated community' of like-minded and independent leaning, freedom loving people, for the ideological sake of the Marxist Progressive's "diversity is our strength" supposed moral axiom that will make 'government' all the more needed to control both the larger economy (subsistence for the unemployable), and as well to establish the cultural norms and implied social contract of the which must exist for any degree of societal unity and civility. Speech that opposes the growth and power of the necessary Administrative State will be seen by said State as not merely 'selfish' and counterproductive, but immoral.
Listened to Beck this morning, with theft stats on major Retailers like Walmart and Target and the massive amount of Subway Fare theft by jumping the gate; stealing is now becoming an accepted societal norm because muh oppression via Capitalism. What 'Law' can change that mindset, especially when half or more of the populous believes that they can gain from 'the rich'/affluent?
Envy is a powerful societal force. Helmut Schoeck's Book "Envy" is a great read as to how for tens of thousands of years, societies have dealt with it. Fascinating and sobering stuff. It should be front and center for any person arguing public policy.
Like Levin said "we are living in a post-Constitutional era". And we cannot reverse this. Calls or strategies for some sort of quasi-political Constitutional redress re Constitutional Principles - by traditional Americans - which are now seen as immoral by well over half the populous as they both enable, support and believe in the 'Equity' Principle, is pissing in the wind. There can be no political solution when the solution means destroying the Government (money-printing machine in effect) and jobs/assets that we have all come to depend on for basic life goods and services. It would be suicidal and cost millions of 'innocents' their lives. And that is why the Dems are morally APPALLED at even the mention of old-time revolt. Like with guns and such. They think they can make "The Great Reset" do magic and pull disparate religious and economic cultures together. That is a shot in the dark.
IMO, the economy will crash at some point (Alinsky strategy "engineered collapse" or no), with 'Government' being ill able to do much of anything (think Katrina over the whole Nation) as the inevitable and desperate fight amongst particular 'classes' of individuals and groups begins, and the Darwinian process of culling out the weak (Your's Truly here) will do what it always has done.
I'm no pessimist, but a realist. There are just SO MANY psychologically impaired and delusional people that 'herding cats' will be a bridge too far. I do believe that what rises out of this calamitous scenario (Jesus/Truth/Vision/Second Coming will be the basis for a 'millennial kingdom' only heretofore dreamed of. I know that is idealist folly; but truly wise and altruistic management of exponential acquisition of Knowlege/High Tech by HONEST Leaders could be the basis for that. Or maybe we'll just go back to the farm. I like "The Celestine Prophecy" version of that idealist scenario.
Regardless, guess we'll find out pretty soon, as we all see what is inevitably coming.
Listened to Beck this morning, with theft stats on major Retailers like Walmart and Target and the massive amount of Subway Fare theft by jumping the gate; stealing is now becoming an accepted societal norm because muh oppression via Capitalism. What 'Law' can change that mindset, especially when half or more of the populous believes that they can gain from 'the rich'/affluent?
Envy is a powerful societal force. Helmut Schoeck's Book "Envy" is a great read as to how for tens of thousands of years, societies have dealt with it. Fascinating and sobering stuff. It should be front and center for any person arguing public policy.
Like Levin said "we are living in a post-Constitutional era". And we cannot reverse this. Calls or strategies for some sort of quasi-political Constitutional redress re Constitutional Principles - by traditional Americans - which are now seen as immoral by well over half the populous as they both enable, support and believe in the 'Equity' Principle, is pissing in the wind. There can be no political solution when the solution means destroying the Government (money-printing machine in effect) and jobs/assets that we have all come to depend on for basic life goods and services. It would be suicidal and cost millions of 'innocents' their lives. And that is why the Dems are morally APPALLED at even the mention of old-time revolt. Like with guns and such. They think they can make "The Great Reset" do magic and pull disparate religious and economic cultures together. That is a shot in the dark.
IMO, the economy will crash at some point (Alinsky strategy "engineered collapse" or no), with 'Government' being ill able to do much of anything (think Katrina over the whole Nation) as the inevitable and desperate fight amongst particular 'classes' of individuals and groups begins, and the Darwinian process of culling out the weak (Your's Truly here) will do what it always has done.
I'm no pessimist, but a realist. There are just SO MANY psychologically impaired and delusional people that 'herding cats' will be a bridge too far. I do believe that what rises out of this calamitous scenario (Jesus/Truth/Vision/Second Coming will be the basis for a 'millennial kingdom' only heretofore dreamed of. I know that is idealist folly; but truly wise and altruistic management of exponential acquisition of Knowlege/High Tech by HONEST Leaders could be the basis for that. Or maybe we'll just go back to the farm. I like "The Celestine Prophecy" version of that idealist scenario.
Regardless, guess we'll find out pretty soon, as we all see what is inevitably coming.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:10 pm to GumboPot
You would have to enter into a civil suit.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:11 pm to GumboPot
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Colluding, cajoling and or ordering private business to suppress or censor speech are crimes by government actors. What is the remedy?
I don't know if there is one. Twitter wasn't forced to comply were they?
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:14 pm to CelticDog
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or buy a company and run it how you like.
So let’s say I bought the ny post. The government colluded with other companies to censor my stories. My product.
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:37 pm to GumboPot
2A
Posted on 12/6/22 at 7:53 pm to Powerman
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Twitter wasn't forced to comply were they?
What if it was collusion rather than coercion, does that make it not censorship?
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