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What is the remedy for government colluding with private business to censor speech?

Posted on 12/6/22 at 8:25 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118760 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 8:25 am
It's clearly a violation of the first amendment. There has to be a remedy for crimes by government actors colluding, cajoling and/or threatening media and tech firms to censor or suppress speech, right?

Additionally, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency on the surface appears to have a benevolent charge.

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CISA works with partners to defend against today’s threats and collaborates to build a more secure and resilient infrastructure for the future.


Those partners are Big Tech. LINK

But the question is around misinformation, disinformation and malformation. Do these categories even exist in a free speech society? For example my information could be categorized as your disinformation. Who's right?

I mean, I could potentially be thrown in jail at most or my post removed from social media sites for proclaiming the earth revolves around sun if CISA characterized that information as mis, dis or malinformation. Or I could potentially have my post removed and subsequently be attacked by the social media mob and my business ruined because I made a post on social media saying that vaccines should prevent you from catching the diseases you are vaccinated against if CISA deemed that mis, dis, or malinformation.

That fact that CISA explicitly says they work with Big Tech to control mis, dis and mal information is clearly a first amendment violation and unconstitutional, right?
Posted by WHS
walker LA.
Member since Feb 2006
3105 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 8:29 am to
Revolution
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11706 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 8:31 am to
Massive defunding of agencies. Starting with DOJ.
Posted by THog
Member since Dec 2021
2166 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 8:41 am to
would need to share thoughts regarding this in person. perhaps in a well regulated assembly.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:05 am to
Last night, Tucker Carlson described the actions as illegal, a crime. However I think he was referring to the coordination between various state actors and twitter to tamper with elections.
Posted by Texas Yarddog
Member since Apr 2018
2613 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:09 am to
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Massive defunding of agencies. Starting with DOJ.


Start with those personally involved being kicked out of office/job, losing their pension, and never being able to hold a federal (elected, appointed, or hired) job again.
Posted by Eugene Fullstack
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Member since Nov 2022
82 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:10 am to
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It's clearly a violation of the first amendment.


The second amendment.

Short, simple answer to would-be tyranny according to the Founding Fathers.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9284 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:13 am to
The judicial process....errrr, oh wait, never mind.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:21 am to
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That fact that CISA explicitly says they work with Big Tech to control mis, dis and mal information is clearly a first amendment violation and unconstitutional, right?



Hell, Jen Psaki straight up said they were doing it. Multiple times.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:22 am to
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Start with those personally involved being kicked out of office/job, losing their pension, and never being able to hold a federal (elected, appointed, or hired) job again.


They'll have all their assets seized. Everyone involved.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:43 am to
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government colluding with private business to censor speech


Actual Fascism?

Prolly a world war
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:47 am to
either win in 2024 and your party chooses who runs the agency and sets policy..

or buy a company and run it how you like.

Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16285 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:49 am to
I would answer this question if not for a suspension hanging over my head.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118760 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:50 am to
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either win in 2024 and your party chooses who runs the agency and sets policy..

or buy a company and run it how you like.



These are not crimes and have nothing to do with private political parties.

Colluding, cajoling and or ordering private business to suppress or censor speech are crimes by government actors. What is the remedy?
Posted by Texas Yarddog
Member since Apr 2018
2613 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:52 am to
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They'll have all their assets seized. Everyone involved.


Not with THIS DOJ, they won't. Or with the DC courts.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26206 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:55 am to
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What is the remedy?

Missouri and Louisiana are suing the federal government under the First Amendment for this very topic. They are also alleging violations of the APA and that the agencies are acting beyond the scope of their statutory authority.
This post was edited on 12/6/22 at 9:58 am
Posted by Oswald
South of the St. George Buffer Zone
Member since Aug 2011
3468 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 9:57 am to
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Massive defunding of agencies. Starting with DOJ.


DOJ/CIA/NSA need to be torn down to the ground and rebuilt from scratch.

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Start with those personally involved being kicked out of office/job, losing their pension, and never being able to hold a federal (elected, appointed, or hired) job again.

This. All of this, and that's just for starters depending on each individual's level of involvement in the crime.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:05 am to
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I would answer this question if not for a suspension hanging over my head.


Same here. Let me put it this way, it ain’t getting fixed via the ballot box.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:54 am to
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Revolution

The only fricking answer and I support it
Posted by LSU4Life2021
Member since Dec 2021
217 posts
Posted on 12/6/22 at 10:56 am to
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