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re: “We’re going to pay off...the $35 trillion in debt. We’re going to pay it off...fast too.

Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:22 pm to
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They could sell off the mineral rights alone and sink the debt tomorrow if they wanted to.


Not even close. The entire oil rights to the Gulf of Mexico wouldn't value in the trillions.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:23 pm to
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How about 100% taxing all the super rich leftists like Gates, Zuckerberg?


Wouldn't dent the debt.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:25 pm to
Tell me when you were thinking of that how did you think we would do that? The debt of the USA is one of the easiest financial instruments in the world to sell and trade.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102759 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:33 pm to
We just need a balanced budget bill forcing a balanced budget and over time the debt will be reduced due to bonds maturing
Posted by Slim
Poplarville, Mississippi
Member since Sep 2006
3092 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:58 pm to
I trust Trump will try to pay it off. During his first term, he would have paid down the debt some if the Chinese wouldn’t have sent us Covid.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8059 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:00 pm to
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If you drained every bank account of every single American, you would barely dent the debt


I often throw this at my liberal friends I encounter that believe we just don't tax the rich enough.

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Do you know what the total entirety of wealth of every billionaire in the US combined is? (they never know, and they rarely even thought of it in this manner before, so I usually get big eyes)

It's 5 trillion give or take a few % points. So basically, you could take 100% of everything that every billionaire in the country possesses; and you wouldn't even pay for 1 years annual federal expenditures.

It wouldn't even cover the deficit alone for a whole 5 years. It would not cut our debt to gdp to under 100%, while also draining capital from the best capital allocators the country has available.

Taxing Jeff Bezos and Elon isnt going to fix shite. Get a calculator.
This post was edited on 12/7/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22765 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:10 pm to
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I trust Trump will try to pay it off. During his first term, he would have paid down the debt some if the Chinese wouldn’t have sent us Covid.

Sarcasm?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:33 pm to
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How about 100% taxing all the super rich leftists like Gates, Zuckerberg?
If you taxed every dollar in income above $1,000,000… you couldn’t balance the budget as it is now. Much less pay off any debt.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
19352 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:35 pm to
That’s a crock of shitt that has been sold to shitt eaters. We had the manufacturing companies here before it went elsewhere. Hell we don’t even make our own healthcare items
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:35 pm to
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We just need a balanced budget bill forcing a balanced budget
You ready to cut off granny and grandpas SS and Medicare? Why do you want to kill old people?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:39 pm to
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I trust Trump will try to pay it off.
You should do some simple math instead.
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During his first term, he would have paid down the debt some if the Chinese wouldn’t have sent us Covid.
Nope. Our (then future) deficits were created under the Obama administration with the increase in debt service from “stimulus”, the medicaid expansion, and demographics of boomers retiring.

Our deficits are basically never growing to be lower (even if jeebus is president) without some serious changes to SS/MEDI or A LOT more collected in taxes from the “middle class”.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173789 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 3:40 pm to
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Sarcasm?

I hope so. Just look at the deficits prior to 2020. They were ballooning substantially when compared to Obama's second term which was pretty fiscally responsible in retrospect. Obama's first term there were huge deficits due to stimulus coming out of the economic crisis.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30517 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:36 pm to
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Wrong, you globalist, America last said the same thing about Trump's tariffs but prices didn't go up.


I will give you one clear example. Shiraz Balolia owns Grizzly Industrial one of if not the largest seller of (small) wood and metalworking machines in the US. This is his post on Sawmillcreek (a woodworking forum) just before the tariffs hit. The prices on Chinese-built machines did go up 25% across the board as he said they would.




Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55583 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:54 pm to
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I thought we should have canceled all debts owed to China or Chinese institutions, thanks to China unleashing Covid on the world whether accidentally or intentionally.

Real smart, Einstein. And then when China cut off all products on which our economy relies? Yeah, we would enter a depression.
Posted by DaveyJones12
Member since Dec 2022
359 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:11 pm to
It would have destroyed the global economy and a depression that would make the late 1920s look like the early 1920s

US government debt is fake as shite and will always be. Well as long as we have a shite ton of nukes and 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers. Its all made up bullshite used to string the median voters along
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:47 am to
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Why did you stop there?
Why? That seemed pretty obvious to me when I stated that EVERYONE was worse off in 2020 because of covid. Unless we are planning to have covid V2.0, we need to compare years without covid to years without covid. Now the dems working on a second "plandemic" is not beyond the realm of possibilities. There is an election coming.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:49 am to
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You ready to cut off granny and grandpas SS and Medicare? Why do you want to kill old people?
The budget can be cut without cutting SS and Medicare. Those that are between 18 and 65, otherwise able to work should work or starve.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:54 am to
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relativism

Mmmm Big WORD. Impressive. You finally said something truthful. You and I are NOT the same. We will have a binary choice in the election. We can choose more of the same (democrats and GOPe) or we can choose mean tweets. My life was much better in the 3 years before covid even with them mean tweets. So I'm gonna go with the mean tweets.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:08 am to
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It's not? Seems to me that if you pay more than just the interest to the debt each period and you decrease the amount that is added to the debt each period, you will decrease the amount the debt increases (decrease the rate of increase). Now you continue to increase the amount you pay and decrease the amount of new debt each new period. At a point in the future, the amount paid toward the debt will exceed amount added to the debt and the total amount of the debt owed will begin to decrease. Sounds EXACTLY like how I paid my credit cards off.


US securities are non-callable financial instruments. Each type has its own maturation period. You can’t “pay more than the interest” on this type of security. The reason they are highly valued is that the US is always pays its interest obligations.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:09 am to
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Negative
You may not want to sell your treasuries back at this time, but likely someone else would. So the the gov't buys their treasuries with the extra money. Point is, spend less than you bring in and put the additional toward what you already owe and don't borrow more money. The gov't could certainly do that and not "force you to sell it back to them".
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