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re: “We’re going to pay off...the $35 trillion in debt. We’re going to pay it off...fast too.

Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:01 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98240 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:01 am to
You marxists also live in a fairy tale it seems
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:04 am to
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You marxists also live in a fairy tale it seems


Youre the populist.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:05 am to
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How is US monetary policy not 'prepared for the worst' as you put it?
Our debt/gdp is right tat WWII levels. Without the war. But, yeah, everything is fine!
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 11:09 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
63498 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:07 am to
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Don't care I want those jerks broke.
Move to a Venezuela. They got rid of all the rich people there. I hear it’s paradise. Just remember to bring your own toilet paper.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:23 am to
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Our debt/gdp is right tat WWII levels. Without the war. But, yeah, everything is fine!



You should see the debt to GDP ratios of some other countries then.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:25 am to
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Did I say I did? 


But the fact geopolitics is slow-moving is directly related to arguments about the demand for US securities. Did you forget your point?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:31 am to
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Yet, your position requires they cannot compete for the US to remain solvent.


As long as they use dollars for balance of payments, the US is fine with competition. When there are developments that exceed the US's, the US gets involved to the benefit of US companies. Some prime examples are the Italian computing industry in the early 1960s and US involvement on the behalf of GE. Another example is French nuclear submarine technology, which the US co-opted in 2014 or so, and subsequently sold submarines to the Australians at the expense of the French a few years back.

You aren't even doing the basics of thinking through any geopolitical situation and then invoking the possibility of some mediator of demand for US securities.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98240 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:33 am to
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Youre the populist.


And you are the marxist
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32102 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:42 am to
Compulsive liar.

The only way(s) we'll ever pay off that gargantuan debt are as follows:

1. Soak The Rich-- raise their tax rates to a mandatory 90% for the highest bracket (I know it sounds crazy today, but in the early 1960's that was reality); minimum tax rate of 45% for all wage earners.

2. Just forgive that debt! Why not?-- that seems the most logical solution; an eruditically-challenged man like the former president would never think of that.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:44 am to
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Still trying to figure out what you’re talking about by this.
I saw a response about things I had posted, but didn't where you had replied directly to me. Don't have time to look back for it now. IF I was mistaken, then I apologize.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10105 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:46 am to
When a post suddenly goes off the rails on number of new posts, I know it's either devolved into a discussion of religion, or includes this loon.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:47 am to
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When a post suddenly goes off the rails on number of new posts, I know it's either devolved into a discussion of religion, or includes this loon.


I'm glad I occupy your headspace that much.
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:50 am to
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Kick-arse
Lose the "Kick-" and you'd be SPOT ON.

Man, that's an impressive post. One would think someone so impressive would have learned the concept of Risk Management. Guess not.

The fact that people currently "are" purchasing something does not imply they will always be willing to purchase that item.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 11:58 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:04 pm to
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The fact that people currently "are" purchasing something, we shouldn't presume they will always be willing to purchase that item.


Like I've said, in order for this system to be upended, there has to be a robust system in place to replace it. The US effort towards developing a 'Liberal World Order' has had noticeable effects, as it gives nations a stake in keeping this system in place. Nations have forums by which their grievances are heard and complicated bureaucracies which are designed to control the methods of change, but the reality of geopolitics is still the same. Might makes right and either you force others to live by your rules or you live by the rules of others. The US has set up a system in which countries willingly participate and change their entire governmental structure in order to join. That's a considerable investment by those states, which isn't easily undone.

Part of the risk assessment has to include what the on the ground realities actually are. Investors aren't stupid. The risks associated with US securities are relatively small within a global context. Given that countries who want to trade between each other use dollars as balance of payments is a strong sign of continued demand. We can look at the broader geopolitical landscape and make determines about the relative risk. Why is it so hard to believe that risk assessment is already baked into the actual act of choosing to invest in US securities itself?


This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 3:25 am
Posted by RollTide71
Member since Dec 2023
1764 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:17 pm to
Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Best of luck to ya. ROLL TIDE
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