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re: Trump has a Catch 22 on his hands
Posted on 6/28/26 at 5:35 am to Metaloctopus
Posted on 6/28/26 at 5:35 am to Metaloctopus
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But I believe that the extent of which communism has grown is largely due to poor education on what it actually is. They don't understand it's consequences.
100% agree.
I’ll word myself better next time, I hope.
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 5:47 am to SallysHuman
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One poorly written or poorly received… I’ll take the L.
No L for you. I understood what you meant, and you are correct. There is a growing cohort of Americans who think socialism is great.
It’s important to distinguish socialism from communism, which are two different variants of collectivism. The other form of collectivism we need to understand is fascism.
Communism is dead and buried. It failed so miserably, and has such obvious utopian contradictions, that the world’s intelligentsia disavowed it as early as the 1940s.
True socialism - meaning a planned economy and government seizure of the means of production - was the fallback position for the world’s communists. This was tried in the late 1940s by a number of countries - Sweden and Britain most notably. Both had to turn back to capitalism when they were unable to match its “invisible hand” with central planning.
Now we have “Democratic-Socialism” which is the next fallback position. They will seize just a few industries (of course once they get the bit between their teeth they won’t be able to stop), and they will radically redistribute wealth towards the unproductive.
All socialism, of the left and the right, leads to authoritarianism. And democratic-socialism is a condition that can only last until it is firmly established. At that point the obvious economic failures of socialism will lead to the demos rejecting it. At that point the socialists must reject either the socialism (as Britain and Sweden did) or the democracy (as Russia, China and Cuba did).
Posted on 6/28/26 at 5:56 am to Powerman
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Meanwhile Trump has the government buying stakes in private countries. Is Trump a socialist?
That’s an excellent question. I would answer, No, but he trends towards it.
ETA: One of the uncomfortable truths a lot of American conservatives will have to come to grips with is that socialism is not just an ideology of the left but has historical antecedents on the right as well.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 5:58 am
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:01 am to SallysHuman
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Y'all seem to think communism is a bad thing to all Americans... it's not. More than you want to believe think it's great; just and necessary.
Not really.
- signed, the hundreds of million of people that died under Communist systems
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:04 am to tarzana
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What you're talking about is the Democratic Socialist party, who until the MAGA era were rightly regarded as mainstream moderates; centrist. The 13 hold-outs are the remnants of what used to be called "blue dog Democrats", right-of-center politicians, who unlike Republicans actually have a soul and work for their constituents.
Socialists are not "mainstream moderates, centrist." That's gaslighting nonsense.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:17 am to Powerman
“ Meanwhile Trump has the government buying stakes in private countries. Is Trump a socialist?”
Does the government have upwards to 55% or so stake in working taxpayers now ? Is that government forced contribution on taxpayers check anything other than threat of incarceration, seizure or both? Do you think Trump’s stock or ownership suggestions is something new ?
By the way socialism would not be the classification you seek, that would be fascism you question I believe
Does the government have upwards to 55% or so stake in working taxpayers now ? Is that government forced contribution on taxpayers check anything other than threat of incarceration, seizure or both? Do you think Trump’s stock or ownership suggestions is something new ?
By the way socialism would not be the classification you seek, that would be fascism you question I believe
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:26 am to FLTech
Great strategy. Maga will dominate for sure.
Do recommend. Lol
Do recommend. Lol
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:41 am to Penrod
Thanks, Penrod… I feel like I understand the broad strokes and really appreciate the drill down in differentiation. Walking and typing now- will come back later to see how the thread goes.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 6:56 am to Penrod
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There is a growing cohort of Americans who think socialism is great.
No one here denies this. And the only way to fight it is to educate people on what it is. It's not an overnight fix where one day the whole country wakes up and says "hey, I get it now!". It took a long time to get to this point and it will take considerable time to wake people up.
I don't particularly see the value in pointing out the distinctions between communism and socialism, as I see socialism as soft communism, with the intent of progressing to full-on communism. The underlying theme, in any case, as Reagan once said, is "shared scarcity". But ignorant young people just see the short term benefits of free stuff, without understanding that those things aren't actually free. And the source where that tax money comes from eventually dries up.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:17 am to Metaloctopus
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And the only way to fight it is to educate people on what it is
Our problem is that we lost the fight for the school boards and national education establishment. And they are grooming our children for socialism. We need to focus our attention on these areas.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:28 am to FLTech
I’m not sure that’s a winning strategy because a large amount of the growing public things. Communism is OK certainly it’s sounding better to them day by day simply because they have no experience with its downfall.
That’s the problem with communism is it’s too late once it gets too bad
That’s the problem with communism is it’s too late once it gets too bad
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:32 am to FLTech
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:32 am to tarzana
This version of the D party is so far from center they will never return. Are you 10 years old ?
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:34 am to tarzana
Retardzana retarding again
Stupid old queen
Stupid old queen
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:35 am to FLTech
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Trump has a Catch 22 on his hands
I think that communism is in many cases a feature not at bug for dems, certainly it seems to be with the more vocal wings.
But if this analysis is true it’s the Dems not Trump that have the Catch 22 on their hands.
FWIW Catch 22 is worth the read
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:41 am to Metaloctopus
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What kind of comment is this? So your point is that if someone "thinks" something is great for them, it is, therefore, great for them? So if I start a cult and convince a group of ignorant people that my vision of utopia is great for them (David Koresh, Jim Jones), then it's a great idea for them to join?
It is bad for all Americans, because communism has destroyed every single society it has ever touched. You would do well to study history and learn from it.
What Sally's Human is pointing out is that this forum is, with a few exceptions, an echo chamber. Most here can't conceive of any, but for a small minority, of Americans supporting communism. And we tend to reinforce each others' thinking.
She's stating that there might be a lot more of them out there than we think.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:54 am to Metaloctopus
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And if the left won't teach them, who else but us will?
You can’t teach your way out of communist beliefs. They have to be shown. And the only way is violence.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 7:57 am to FLTech
The far left can crush Republicans in midterms if they just give professional Republicans everything they want
Not to be cynical, but let's get real, Jack...the democrats will always all come together under a communist tent...
They are all unified uniparty like it or not...
Not to be cynical, but let's get real, Jack...the democrats will always all come together under a communist tent...
They are all unified uniparty like it or not...
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:11 am to Zach
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Here's the problem the Dem centrists will have in Nov. If I'm a centrist Dem voter I might have absolute confidence in my centrist Dem incumbent. However, I also know that he will be pressured to always vote with the party and the party is heading in the commie direction. Will he always stand against the pressure of his party or will be sometimes relent? Safer to vote for the GOP guy running ads about how much he hates commies.
I think you articulated very well what OP is trying to convey.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 8:12 am to FLTech
Well, you can’t hide the truth
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