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Posted on 6/25/26 at 12:05 pm to 4cubbies
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For most people, it's really a tax on labor.
Marxist propaganda.
It doesn't matter whether someone worked for the income or not, he or she is still taxed on it. And people labor at things all the time for which they are not taxed, because no one paid them to do it. Cleary income is what is being taxed, not labor.
No, it's illogical (maybe illogical isn't the right word...maybe "not advisable" is better) because the people with the most income/wealth are also the people with the most means to avoid the tax.
Change that to a consumption tax and they'd have a lot harder time exempting themselves from it. They'd still do it to some degree, but not like they are able to do with income tax.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 12:28 pm to wackatimesthree
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Marxist propaganda.
Saying that income taxes are labor taxes is Marxist propaganda? I guess I read the wrong Marx. For most people, the overwhelming majority of taxable income comes from wages and salaries.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 12:35 pm to theliontamer
The rich pay most of the taxes; despite what these whinny morons think.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 12:43 pm to i am dan
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Do you think they aren't getting taxed now?
Not enough
Posted on 6/25/26 at 12:43 pm to theliontamer
A family that pays $100,000 with 2 kids, uses no more roads, schools, police, fire department or military than someone who pays $20,000. Probably less because the rich folks use private schools.
Now if you want to do it right, do a flat tax and everyone gets to pay instead of the 50% that pays now.
Now if you want to do it right, do a flat tax and everyone gets to pay instead of the 50% that pays now.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:22 pm to Byron Bojangles III
So they fail in their primary education, and you want the taxpayers to pay for their college education? Why is it that you believe college level education prepares people better to succeed in life? Not all are fit for higher level education.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:23 pm to Bonkers119
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Not enough
Define what the threshold for enough would be.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:39 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Indirectly, perhaps.
For most people, it's really a tax on labor.
But income tax is a tax on earnings.
You and I might do the same labor. If your compensation is 2x mine though, your taxes will track pay rather than the actual labor.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 1:44 pm to Craig86
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They take loans out of the bank at extremely generous interest rates like 1%, and they can pay 1% on a 30 million loan rather than 37% on that 30 mil.
What fricking planet do you live on? Are you trying to make the case that I can go get a loan and become wealthy?? And where am I getting a 1% interest rate? How am I paying it back?
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:13 pm to Diamondawg
Wealthy people utilize government services at far lower rates than lower class people because they can take care of themselves. Schooling is the most atrocious, but take a look at police use. Wealthy people rarely call the police and don't cause the need for increased police presence, which is very expensive. We have to shut down public spaces because lower class people don't know how to behave and destroy everything. We can not have anything nice because communal things are abused, destroyed, and then used as a vehicle to sue the government. We need to start enforcing respectful behavior or completely restructure our government.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:15 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Should we not tax the rich?
Aren't you so clever
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:23 pm to Bonkers119
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Not enough
Define "enough". And when that enough isn't enough, what's the new enough? And then what that enough suddenly won't cover it, what's the new new enough?
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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You and I might do the same labor. If your compensation is 2x mine though, your taxes will track pay rather than the actual labor.
Yes, if I cut my mom's grass or volunteer somewhere, I don't have to pay a tax on my labor. But most people generate their income through their labor, whether physical or intellectual or something else. The mechanism is labor.
Posted on 6/25/26 at 2:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:21 pm to 4cubbies
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Saying that income taxes are labor taxes is Marxist propaganda?
Yes.
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For most people, the overwhelming majority of taxable income comes from wages and salaries.
That's great.
How much are they taxed on labor that they performed but did not get paid for? Nothing? But if income tax is really a labor tax rather than an income tax, those people are guilty of tax evasion!
All those women you always talk about who do labor that they don't get paid for are guilty of Labor Tax evasion!
And are they exempt from taxes on income if they didn't labor for it? Like, say, income from government benefits or if they win the Tuesday Scratch Off Special?
If they DO get taxed on income from those sources, does that mean that their taxes are really Scratch Off Taxes or Welfare or Social Security Taxes, rather than Income Taxes?
This post was edited on 6/25/26 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 6/25/26 at 4:23 pm to 4cubbies
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I don't have to pay a tax on my labor.
Why not?
If the tax is a Labor Tax, why does it matter whether you got paid or not?
Posted on 6/25/26 at 5:02 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Right.
But most people generate their income through their labor, whether physical or intellectual or something else. The mechanism is labor.
My point is your labor income product may be significantly different than others who are doing the same tasks in the same time.
Suppose teachers were paid, not by hours in the classroom, but by demonstrable results of their efforts (I get the arguments ... it's a hypothetical). In that scenario, two teachers with different approaches might put in identical labor in the classroom, but end up with vastly different compensation. Would each pay the same tax based on classroom labor?
Posted on 6/25/26 at 7:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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Suppose teachers were paid, not by hours in the classroom, but by demonstrable results of their efforts (I get the arguments ... it's a hypothetical). In that scenario, two teachers with different approaches might put in identical labor in the classroom, but end up with vastly different compensation. Would each pay the same tax based on classroom labor?
The efficacy of the labor of the producer (teacher) can’t really be measured or quantified when the product is dependent on the labor or participation or consent of a third party (the student). It would be the same as paying a doctor based on patient outcomes. The doctor can prescribe treatment, but the doctor can’t make patients follow their orders or treatment plans.
But my point wasn’t that taxes are proportional to effort, but that for most Americans the taxable income exists because they sold their labor.
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