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re: The race to electric cars will destroy our economy......
Posted on 11/14/21 at 11:30 pm to TigerCruise
Posted on 11/14/21 at 11:30 pm to TigerCruise
Mining lithium and processing it is not environmentally friendly. I’ve been to Chile and seen how it is produced. I would not characterize it as sustainable.
Throwing batteries away is not environmentally friendly and they are extremely difficult to recycle.
Producing electricity without fossil fuels, is not environmentally friendly. Can’t recycle windmills - they bury them. Solar panels - not easily recycled either. The only technology right now that is viable on a large scale is nuclear, yet no greenie is pushing that.
What the US needs to do is a Manhattan Project for sustainable energy (could be safer nuclear or fusion powered hydrogen generation), not give enticements for people to install solar panels and windmills and buy EVs. Develop a long term solution before implementing what will be a disastrous one. Current solar and wind generation technology is a disaster for the planet.
Throwing batteries away is not environmentally friendly and they are extremely difficult to recycle.
Producing electricity without fossil fuels, is not environmentally friendly. Can’t recycle windmills - they bury them. Solar panels - not easily recycled either. The only technology right now that is viable on a large scale is nuclear, yet no greenie is pushing that.
What the US needs to do is a Manhattan Project for sustainable energy (could be safer nuclear or fusion powered hydrogen generation), not give enticements for people to install solar panels and windmills and buy EVs. Develop a long term solution before implementing what will be a disastrous one. Current solar and wind generation technology is a disaster for the planet.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:00 am to ChEgrad
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Producing electricity without fossil fuels, is not environmentally friendly. Can’t recycle windmills - they bury them. Solar panels - not easily recycled either. The only technology right now that is viable on a large scale is nuclear, yet no greenie is pushing that.
Making more electricity is only half the problem, upgrading the grid will be incredibly expensive in terms of money, energy, and environmental impact. To distribute more energy, you can raise the voltage which will require replacing hundreds of thousands of of transformers which use copper that has to be mined, or you can increase current which requires increasing the size of hundreds of thousands of miles of wire, or adding parallel conductors to existing lines, either requires making more aluminum wire. Aluminum is made from bauxite which is mined and requires tremendous amounts of electricity to make into aluminum.
I doubt the amount of energy saved by EVs in the next 75 years will offset he energy required to upgrade grid capacity to what is needed to support a third of us driving EVs
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:19 am to ChEgrad
Clean, safe fission-based nuclear power now, heavy investment into fusion-based nuclear power for the future. Those are the only technologies that have a chance of making reliable base power without fossil fuels.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:54 am to oldskule
Bro
Electric cars require lots of energy from oil/gas
Electric cars require lots of energy from oil/gas
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:59 am to AMS
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no they obviously arent superchargers like we have both previously stated. im not sure why a slower charge matters so much seeing as you can get more than enough charge even at the slower chargers for the entire destin visit and back to a supercharge visit while you spend a few hours at the beach. sure its a little less convenient, but with a modicum of sense its not an issue.
This is a deal breaker for me. I'm not waiting around for hours to charge a vehicle.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:54 am to imjustafatkid
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This is a deal breaker for me. I'm not waiting around for hours to charge a vehicle.
Not to mention cost.
The cheapest Nissan Leaf (
) starts at $27000. The cheapest Tesla starts right around $40,000.
The Tesla AMS talked about earlier---
quote:.
Prices for the 2022 Tesla Model S Plaid start at $131,190. The fully loaded Plaid we tested costs $149,190
I know someone is going to say that as they get more mainstream prices will come down...Nothing is coming down in price anytime soon. Certainly not the price of vehicles for a long time.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:32 am to AMS
quote:the problem you face is convincing someone like me, who spent 29k on a new 2018 Silverado, that I should spend 150k on an electric truck. Even if you put a loaded gun to my head I still can't afford it
. i dont even care about green arguments for EVs, just that they are rapidly becoming more superior machines for most practical purposes
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:40 am to UncleFestersLegs
I like the jeep 4xe style of EV. A small gas engine and a small battery. You get about 25 miles of electric then run on gas. For alot of people this works great and lessens their gas usage by a large margin. I think if they could add battery capacity to get the range up to 100 miles on some vehicle lines but still have gas engine that would be ideal for the majority of the population.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 5:41 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:14 am to AMS
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EVs are broadly going to be superior within 10 years.
Not unless the price to the consumer comes down.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:27 am to DMAN1968
One thing to consider is Teslas are forecast to last for 500-750k miles, maybe more. They require much fewer dollars for O&M, meaning that over their lifespan you would have gotten another truck.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 6:27 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:31 am to oldskule
Is there anything wrong with buying an EV for those who want to?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:40 am to NYNolaguy1
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Tesla's last 500k to 750k miles
How long do their batteries last?
And with more demand, not just from cars, but from electronics etc lithium and other metals should skyrocket in price.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:42 am to AMS
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I'm talking broadly about EVs being superior machines in the very near future
And that is fine, if they are superior the market will show that in the future. My problem is government entities forcing electric vehicles on the citizens.
I love all the talk about "clean" energy, but those same people don't want any new nuclear power plants to be built. Complete hypocrites.
People need to learn what goes into making one of those lithium batteries that go into these cars. Oh that's right the mining is taking place in places outside the United States so that isn't a concern
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 6:46 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:50 am to oldskule
The only reason there was such a push to electric vehicles in the first place was the gas lighting of jackasses that believe in the whole global warming scam.
The government, with the assistance of their media minions created an army of tree huggers that are adamant that the world is ending soon due to the CO2 emissions etc.
Then you have the little Satan - Great thorntwat getting a stage to further elevate the lie of governments and dimwitted scientists to further elevate the lies and propaganda.
In the end, it's all about $$$ just like cancer "research" and medications, and COVID "vaccines", and the like. One big financial scam that benefits the few that brain fricked the many into submission.
The government, with the assistance of their media minions created an army of tree huggers that are adamant that the world is ending soon due to the CO2 emissions etc.
Then you have the little Satan - Great thorntwat getting a stage to further elevate the lie of governments and dimwitted scientists to further elevate the lies and propaganda.
In the end, it's all about $$$ just like cancer "research" and medications, and COVID "vaccines", and the like. One big financial scam that benefits the few that brain fricked the many into submission.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:12 am to thebigmuffaletta
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Not unless the price to the consumer comes down.
And as long as lithium is controlled by China and the Taliban, this isn't likely.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:35 am to oldskule
EV's will drive demand for electricity obviously. Natural Gas will be in high demand at power plants to provide that electricity. Change is necesssary and it happens no matter how much any of us may like it.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:20 am to markinkaty
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I watched a youtube vid. last week and it took an hour for the ev to be charged for 15 miles range.
How does an engine of any kind run with no oil to lubricate for friction. And how much will it cost to maintain? Batteries. Are they triple A? I doubt. Little has been said about batteries. How long they last and how many will it take to power the engine? From a little I can find there are more than 1 battery and they will cost upwards to 1000.00 bucks each. Anyone know about that and is the government one day mandating an EC just not telling us the whole lie.
Oh sorry I noticed up above mentioned the battery and commented.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 8:56 am to civiltiger07
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I love all the talk about "clean" energy, but those same people don't want any new nuclear power plants to be built. Complete hypocrites.
Modern society will last longer than the next fifty years. Nuclear most certainly will be increasingly used in the future as the petroleum era wanes. The sooner we use all energy sources available the better we will be. The petroleum era will wane. I worked in the petroleum extraction business.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:02 am to Marquesa
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Change is necesssary
Why
That’s an unsupported assertion.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 9:03 am
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