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re: The race to electric cars will destroy our economy......
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:00 pm to oldskule
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:00 pm to oldskule
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Remember this post.....ain't no way electric cars will produce the jobs and revenue like oil/gas!
If you were correct then electric cars would definitely be the way to go. You want to choose the alternatives that create the fewest jobs, otherwise we would go back to horses. Horses required groomsmen, veterinarians, blacksmiths, buggy whip manufacturers, livery stables, etc. Much more jobs for horses than for oil and gas driven cars.
Electric vehicles are probably superior and we should move to them. That’s not the problem, which is how we generate the electricity. Alternative fuels will require far more jobs than hydrocarbon generation, and contrary to your ill-thought-out post, that is BAD!
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:02 pm to oldskule
Someone needs to be punished, why not punish us?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:04 pm to AMS
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2022 tesla model S plaid roasts the standard gas car in every capacity
Except not having to stop every 200 miles and wait to charge as you are hoping a free charger is available when you pull up.
Teslas suck at long road trips. Sure you can do them in it, but the infrastructure just isn't there today.
My daughter has 2 of them, I like them, but I'm also intellectually honest about what use cases they make the most sense in.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:08 pm to AMS
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Since I can charge at home Im banking the time you waste for a weekly or so trip to the pump
You going home every time you need a charge needs to be added into your "narrow" comparison.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:09 pm to AMS
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enjoy wasting all that time pumping gas that could be saved charging at places you are already going to be.
It takes almost 2 hours to fill your tank in a Tesla model S. At my age I don't have that kind of time.
But, you could do as I suggested and get several. If you have 2 then one could be charging while you're driving the other. It only costs 200K for a pair.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:16 pm to AMS
This summer, the wife and I drove out to California to see the grandkids from NWA, we went the southern route (along the Mexican border through NM and AZ) on our way out and then went to Vegas, Escalante UT, Breckinridge CO, then home. It was a little over 4K miles total. Road tripping is absolutely a valid scenario that any vehicle needs to be able to accommodate. If you get anywhere off the beaten path, your screwed in your Tesla. I didn't have to worry one bit about finding a gas station.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:17 pm to Chromdome35
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Except not having to stop every 200 miles and wait to charge as you are hoping a free charger is available when you pull up.
Teslas suck at long road trips. Sure you can do them in it, but the infrastructure just isn't there today.
My daughter has 2 of them, I like them, but I'm also intellectually honest about what use cases they make the most sense in.
if you want to talk about intellectual honesty you cant really refute the fact that the infrastructure does exist. if you are making a cross country style drive you would be actively trying to avoid superchargers. they are all over and you can charge where you already will be such as at home, businesses, schools, parks etc. maybe your argument worked 6 years ago, but it is intellectually dishonest today. if you are being intellectually honest about their use cases why will you only discuss the rare use cases instead of regular usage?
refer to my reply to your competition proposal instead of my first post in this thread. I acknowledge teslas are weaker in the cross country type road trips. but most people are not making these frequently if even at all. if they are they spend 10 whole minutes longer than you do filling up big fricking deal.
how often is your daughter charging at roadside superchargers? probably less than 10 times a year.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:19 pm to Zach
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It takes almost 2 hours to fill your tank in a Tesla model S. At my age I don't have that kind of time.
oh yea, too old to waste exactly 0 time charging while you are at your home sleeping at night?
and it takes like 20 minutes at a supercharger.
it might be nap time for you
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:23 pm to Chromdome35
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This shows the location of all superchargers in the US. You'll be able to find a charger if you stick to a main road, your SOL if you don't. If it's not a supercharger that can give you 200 miles in 15 minutes, your looking at MUCH longer charge times.
yea right. go on a cross country trip while keeping over 50 miles away from any and all main roads. like I said you would be actively avoiding superchargers for this to be an issue. and if you arent going on those cross country trips, charging at places you will already be like home,businesses, schools, parks, etc is a thing... roadside superchargers arent the only places to charge.
that map perfectly demonstrates the infrastructure is there, but you dont care to be intellectually honest about that.
This post was edited on 11/14/21 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:24 pm to AMS
While we were out there, she stopped at a super charger 3 times in 5 days.
We went from Temecula to Santa Clarita, 119 Miles each way, 2 hours.
She stopped at a super charger before we left town to put some juice in, when we got ready to leave to come home she had to find a charger again.
She spent at least 30 minutes charging to drive the 220 miles. Now she said that the previous night she'd forgotten to fully charge, evidently you are not supposed to keep it fully charged. That didn't make a lot of sense to me, maybe she didn't know what she was talking about.
We went from Temecula to Santa Clarita, 119 Miles each way, 2 hours.
She stopped at a super charger before we left town to put some juice in, when we got ready to leave to come home she had to find a charger again.
She spent at least 30 minutes charging to drive the 220 miles. Now she said that the previous night she'd forgotten to fully charge, evidently you are not supposed to keep it fully charged. That didn't make a lot of sense to me, maybe she didn't know what she was talking about.
This post was edited on 11/14/21 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:24 pm to AMS
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2022 tesla model S plaid roasts the standard gas car in every capacity
Tell everyone you are an utter moron in thermodynamics without saying you are a moron in thermodynamics.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:26 pm to AMS
Thats from Tesla's own Find a charger website. There are VAST areas of the country that don't have charging infrastructure. Like I said, if your home charging and driving local that's one thing, if your out for a weekend road trip with your better half, you have to tailor your trip to allow you to be close to a charger, if you don't your screwed.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:30 pm to AMS
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oh yea, too old to waste exactly 0 time charging while you are at your home sleeping at night? and it takes like 20 minutes at a supercharger.
So, I can only drive the car around town near my home? What if I want to drive on a longer trip? The range is shite. And your supercharger comment is wrong. They are expensive and speed of charging is from 30 minutes to an hour.
But if you want to buy one, go ahead. It's a free country.... for now.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:33 pm to Chromdome35
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There are VAST areas of the country that don't have charging infrastructure.
there are highly remote areas that dont have infrastructure, but are still within driving range. yea if you live in BFE north dakota it isnt a solid option. but any regular long trip path has plenty of infrastructure.
yea im not making my argument based on the 1% of population that lives in remote areas like this although theyd probably be just fine by charging at home. considering 100+ mile trips to threaten their range capacity would put them near the infrastructure, or theyd be able to make it home to charge again. im making it off practical use cases for the vast majority of folks.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:33 pm to Seppuku
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Meh, EV's will not destroy the economy.
You missed the message.....I said the RACE to EVs will destroy the economy, not EVs themselves.
This dumbass socialistic leadership we have now has ZERO intelligence, especially in the area of economics....
They are oblivious to consequences, as long as they promote the LEFT agenda.
Bottom line, these buffoons have no idea what they are doing, and the rapid push for EVs quickly is a huge mistake.
This post was edited on 11/14/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:35 pm to AMS
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I didnt realize the ability to charge at home wherever you live disables you from being able to drive around.
Just wondering, in a disaster like Louisiana, Texas and California in 2020-21 how are we going to rebuild the power lines without fossil fuel vehicles?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:38 pm to Zach
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So, I can only drive the car around town near my home?
not at all. no one said that. lmao you just might spend 15 minutes longer per 250 miles traveled further after the
first 250 mile range
although that accounts for less than 5% of personal vehicle usage, lets base the argument entirely off that scenario.
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The range is shite.
The tesla I mentioned has a range that exceeds many gas cars and is only improving. cybertruck coming out dickslaps most ICE ranges.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:47 pm to AMS
My pickup truck with a 36 gallon tank, can go 600 miles without a refill if I don't have a heavy foot.
A couple of weeks ago, we drove from NW Arkansas to Columbus Ga, to visit my grandkids (dad stationed at Ft. Benning). On the way home, I filled up in Tupelo, MS and still had over 1/4 a tank when we got home. That was a 431 Mile day, I could have gone to OK City without an issue.
Serious question, how does it do when it's towing your standard camper, boat, or trailer with an SxS or a couple of 4 wheelers?
A couple of weeks ago, we drove from NW Arkansas to Columbus Ga, to visit my grandkids (dad stationed at Ft. Benning). On the way home, I filled up in Tupelo, MS and still had over 1/4 a tank when we got home. That was a 431 Mile day, I could have gone to OK City without an issue.
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cybertruck coming out dickslaps most ICE ranges.
Serious question, how does it do when it's towing your standard camper, boat, or trailer with an SxS or a couple of 4 wheelers?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 2:52 pm to Chromdome35
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Serious question, how does it do when it's towing your standard camper, boat, or trailer with an SxS or a couple of 4 wheelers?
It will behave exactly like the battery operated weedeater I bought...at full speed, it drains fast!
Tell you a secret: DEMS dont want you to have anymore big boy toys!
DEMS:
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