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re: The race to electric cars will destroy our economy......
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:12 pm to AMS
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:12 pm to AMS
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Much like ICE vehicles, EVs arent moron proof.
I agree....and I am not anti-EV. I just think that rushing the EV agenda is going to cause many problems.
For now, golf courses and amusement parks are the best application for battery powered vehicles....not our highway system. In 20 years or so, things will be different and quite possible a great application for US mobility.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:16 pm to Chromdome35
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And what if they decide to go spend the week at the beach with the normal putting around town you tend to do with the family in tow.
That charger 75 miles back at home is not so convenient then.
the hotel/condo they stay at will probably have a charger... some of the businesses while putting around town will probably have chargers. if you are that remote and off the grid then there probably is no town to be putting around, but yes that could be an issue. I dont deny there are issues with remote location usage at long distances from home, just that this is not an issue for well over 90% of owners for well over 90% of usage.
this would not be any issue for myself.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:22 pm to oldskule
I think fleet situations make perfect sense for EV's.
Think about all the local fleet vehicles there are that aren't ever driven long distances in a day. That seems to be a really good use case for EV's.
If you can't load the family up in the car, drive 90 miles to a condo you rented on the beach, spend the week driving around locally then drive home 90 miles without running out of juice, what good is it?
Think about all the local fleet vehicles there are that aren't ever driven long distances in a day. That seems to be a really good use case for EV's.
If you can't load the family up in the car, drive 90 miles to a condo you rented on the beach, spend the week driving around locally then drive home 90 miles without running out of juice, what good is it?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:23 pm to AMS
So you have to pick your condo based on which ones have chargers??? no thanks.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:29 pm to AMS
Okaloosa/Destin FL, one of the most popular vacation spots in the country.
There are NO superchargers anywhere close and there are only a few hotels with chargers.
Look at Tesla's own map. https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=30.858717585168225%2C-85.71884411789075%2C30.304826990965317%2C-87.03720349289075&zoom=11&filters=supercharger%2Cdestination%20charger
There are NO superchargers anywhere close and there are only a few hotels with chargers.
Look at Tesla's own map. https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=30.858717585168225%2C-85.71884411789075%2C30.304826990965317%2C-87.03720349289075&zoom=11&filters=supercharger%2Cdestination%20charger
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:33 pm to AMS
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also there is such a thing as a mobile EV charger. so EVs will soon have solid access to the equivalent of AAA bringing you gas.
Yeah, fossil fueled generator to charge the EV enough to make it to a charging station. AAA dumping in a few gallons of gas takes a few minutes compared to waiting 30 - 60 minutes with a 5kW generator hooked up.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:50 pm to Chromdome35
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Okaloosa/Destin FL, one of the most popular vacation spots in the country.
There are NO superchargers anywhere close and there are only a few hotels with chargers.
charging stations - destin
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The city of Destin in Florida, United States, has 14 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. 100% of the ports are level 2 charging ports and 92% of the ports offer free charges for your electric car.
then you should be relieved that destin has 14 public charging stations within 8 miles, at/very near the places you would be visiting around destin. superchargers arent the only places to charge, and tesla can charge at non-tesla chargers that your map doesnt show.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 5:55 pm to Chromdome35
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I think fleet situations make perfect sense for EV's
Remember when fleets were converted to natural gas....that lasted, not so long.
Bottom line, the USA is NOT ready for EVs on a mass scale.
20 years minimum....
Posted on 11/14/21 at 6:03 pm to AMS
You clearly are too young to understand.
Get back to me when I can charge my iPhone in 15 minutes
Currently, a person gets gas on average 1x per week. In your world these same people are plugging in their car every night. I’ve already written in a prior post about people sitting at wawa using their chargers sitting in their car.
By the time full electric transportation becomes viable you will be collecting your minimal social security and generally using public transportation to get anywhere
Get back to me when I can charge my iPhone in 15 minutes
Currently, a person gets gas on average 1x per week. In your world these same people are plugging in their car every night. I’ve already written in a prior post about people sitting at wawa using their chargers sitting in their car.
By the time full electric transportation becomes viable you will be collecting your minimal social security and generally using public transportation to get anywhere
Posted on 11/14/21 at 6:24 pm to Clames
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Yeah, fossil fueled generator to charge the EV enough to make it to a charging station
AAA dumping in a few gallons of gas takes a few minutes compared to waiting 30 - 60 minutes with a 5kW generator hooked up.
well yea thats a bit more unfortunate, but again youd have to be dumb enough to go empty with your car actively guiding you to a charger or even autopiloting to it.
also mobile chargers have been out for over a year that are much more capable than you believe :
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Lightning Mobile is charged from a standard Level 2 AC charger at up to 18kW and can deliver DC Fast Charging at up to 80kW and, optionally, Level 2 AC charging at up to 19.2kW.
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Posted on 11/14/21 at 8:06 pm to AMS
Are those public charging spots as fast as the Tesla superchargers or are they the 1 hour for 44 miles type?
Posted on 11/14/21 at 8:23 pm to AMS
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but again youd have to be dumb enough to go empty with your car actively guiding you to a charger or even autopiloting to it.
Shithead, bad things happen in life. Maybe the EV has a malfunction and the battery doesn't have the range it was telling the driver.
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also mobile chargers have been out for over a year that are much more capable than you believe :
Again, shithead, talking about AAA not tiny, specialized fleet servicing companies that have practically zero presence outside of a few metro areas. Also:
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Designed to be installed in a cargo van such as our Lightning Electric Transit 350HD, or in a trailer, it’s the perfect solution for charging electric trucks, vans or buses at remote locations.
It's a fricking 4,000 lb battery pack that has to be hauled around, by a non-EV, to provide that level of charging. No way anyone with a sizeable service fleet would would invest in that versus just installing a cheaper generator that takes up less space and weight and could provide 20kW if needed.
You EV homers are as bad as vegans and bicyclists in your cultish obsession.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 8:30 pm to AMS
You couldn’t be more Ill informed if you tried. Yiu are waaaay ahead of the curve. The support system for these vehicles is not in place yet. It will be quite a while before they offer the convenience of gas powered vehicles. Disposal of the batteries on a large scale is also an issue.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 8:52 pm to AMS
The issue is going to be more with production of EVs and batteries.
I don't think it's going to be viable for at least another decade and we're really looking at 2030 before EVs are replacing ICE vehicles in mass.
Just look at Tesla, it's taken them a decade just to get production to 1 million a year.
I don't think it's going to be viable for at least another decade and we're really looking at 2030 before EVs are replacing ICE vehicles in mass.
Just look at Tesla, it's taken them a decade just to get production to 1 million a year.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 9:15 pm to TigerCruise
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The issue is going to be more with production of EVs and batteries.
I don't think it's going to be viable for at least another decade and we're really looking at 2030 before EVs are replacing ICE vehicles in mass.
Just look at Tesla, it's taken them a decade just to get production to 1 million a year.
im not arguing for mass adoption taking place overnight. I dont think thats necessary and its not what im talking about at all. Im just saying they arent as non-viable for an individual even today as this forum would have you believe. Just pointing out the fact that some models outperform some ice vehicles and EVs are only going to improve greatly in the near future. from reactions to my posts youd think I was talking about outlawing ICE tomorrow. although I guess i do understand the misunderstanding, i never really clarified that. if we had to switch tomorrow there would not be appropriate infrastructure, but for todays makeup its plenty developed. i dont even care about green arguments for EVs, just that they are rapidly becoming more superior machines for most practical purposes
Posted on 11/14/21 at 9:47 pm to Chromdome35
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Are those public charging spots as fast as the Tesla superchargers or are they the 1 hour for 44 miles type?
no they obviously arent superchargers like we have both previously stated. im not sure why a slower charge matters so much seeing as you can get more than enough charge even at the slower chargers for the entire destin visit and back to a supercharge visit while you spend a few hours at the beach. sure its a little less convenient, but with a modicum of sense its not an issue.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:03 pm to AMS
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EVs are only going to improve greatly in the near future.
Not really, they are plateauing even now. Contrary to your belief, battery technology for EV's has not significantly improved in the last 20 years. Energy density has been virtually flatlined, the only significant improvents have come from better programming of microcontrollers that govern charge/discharge cycles but optimization over the base chemical technology will only go so far. ICE vehicles are also continuing to make improvements, in many cases more so than EV's.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:24 pm to Clames
Not only that but Lithium isn't a widely available resource. There's reports we could be at global shortage levels within 10 years, right when you would think we'd be at peak "EV" buying levels.
Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:33 pm to AMS
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Sure it will. To do the job of your gasoline driven car you're gonna have to buy 3 or 4 electric cars.
2022 tesla model S plaid roasts the standard gas car in every capacity, although at a premium cost. Within 5 years or so EVs will be superior on a large scale.
enjoy wasting all that time pumping gas that could be saved charging at places you are already going to be. youll probably make 20 trips to the pump in every day driving for every 15 minute stop at a supercharger only needed while on the road trips outside the range.
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Posted on 11/14/21 at 10:51 pm to oldskule
When I bought my wife’s Volvo a few months ago there was an EV model next to it, I looked at the range.
200 miles. I regularly drive that in a day showing homes. I seriously doubt that kind of daily mileage is uncommon.
Never mind a vacation trip. Range will have to triple for them to work for anyone who isn’t an urban dweller.
I think it’s just another string for their bow to try and drive people to urban living, which leans heavily Democratic
200 miles. I regularly drive that in a day showing homes. I seriously doubt that kind of daily mileage is uncommon.
Never mind a vacation trip. Range will have to triple for them to work for anyone who isn’t an urban dweller.
I think it’s just another string for their bow to try and drive people to urban living, which leans heavily Democratic
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