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re: The fundamental flaw in Israel's "Hamas hides amongst civilian population" justification
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:53 am to Earnest_P
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:53 am to Earnest_P
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It’s Hamas’s fault that civilians are in the way.
True
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Israel still has a choice to make.
Survival is sort of baked into human DNA.
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If doing the right thing means not solving the problem, tough.
So, frick the Israelis who get killed in future attacks?
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How are you better than your enemies if you kill women and children because it suits your purposes to do so?
Hamas drew first blood. The Hamas that Gaza residents consistently support.
Look, if you want to reward Hamas for hiding behind their women and children I just ask that you consider how you would feel if you were a Hamas target.
Would you be so understanding if they killed your wife and children then ran and hid when you raised a weapon? Would you say, "Well, good on them. Well played."?
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:54 am to TigerFan244
BS .....who is carpet bombing?
Strategic airstrikes is not carpet bombing .....Get it right or shut up.
Roaches that vote on Rats should be exterminated .....
Strategic airstrikes is not carpet bombing .....Get it right or shut up.
Roaches that vote on Rats should be exterminated .....
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Israel waited too long imo.
Too long for what?
Global internet opinion? That's not going to keep Israel from going in.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:14 pm to dr
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this is gonna get interesting when the leftists start blowing up the 'burbs in quest of stomping out the MAGA anti EV people...
If it weren't for 300 million guns in the homes of MAGA Americans they would do it now.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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Would you be so understanding if they killed your wife and children then ran and hid when you raised a weapon? Would you say, "Well, good on them. Well played."?
I wouldn’t believe that God wanted me to kill a bunch of people who didn’t do it.
If your morality and ethics can’t be used against you by bad people, then it’s probably not Christian.
And “They started it” is something kids say.
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So, frick the Israelis who get killed in future attacks?
I think that a realistic view of Israel’s situation (including literally, where it is situated) would say that the problem is unsolvable.
They can mitigate the problem, like by not letting a bunch of guys with rifles hang glide into undefended space on the Gazan border, but it isn’t possible to eradicate the problem without eradicating Islam.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:15 pm to TigerFan244
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a few terrorists?
Lol by a few you mean the entire elected government body of the state of Israel?
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Total BS. They need to stop the killing now otherwise they are only sowing more seeds of hate and anti-Israel sentiments with every innocent life lost.
Where is this same energy towards Hamas? Should Israel just sit back and wait for the next attack like this? Should they keep letting their neighbor waste all their resources arming terrorists to kill Jews (because that’s what this is about, not some “land dispute”). You are saying that an elected government who’s entire goal as outlined in their state constitution to kill Jews and destroy Israel is ok, but when Israel defends itself they are the ones to blame. You are insane. There is no moral equivalency here. Hamas is evil and Israel should eliminate them. Blame Hamas for hiding behind civilians, not Israel. Hold Hamas accountable for withholding resources from civilians. It’s not Israel’s fault Hamas has run Palestine into the ground.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:19 pm to TigerFan244
Don’t care. If it gets bad enough Palestinians will turn on Hamas terrorists.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:20 pm to Earnest_P
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I think that a realistic view of Israel’s situation (including literally, where it is situated) would say that the problem is unsolvable.
Taking out 100% of Hamas would be a good start, which is going to happen. You folks will cry about civilian deaths caused by Hamas using them as shields, just brace yourself.
When the Palestinians have better leadership, their life will improve.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:26 pm to Earnest_P
quote:So, in your mind, eradicating Hamas means eradicating Islam?
I think that a realistic view of Israel’s situation (including literally, where it is situated) would say that the problem is unsolvable.
They can mitigate the problem, like by not letting a bunch of guys with rifles hang glide into undefended space on the Gazan border, but it isn’t possible to eradicate the problem without eradicating Islam.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:28 pm to Tridentds
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. If it gets bad enough Palestinians will turn on Hamas terrorists.
Will be a sad day for the apologist.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:32 pm to TigerFan244
Call me evil, but I don’t have a ton of issues with it. Palastinians support hamas, voted for hamas. Even the few that may not they hate the Jews and rather the Jews just die. So I have no big issues with whatever Israel does to stop them.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:35 pm to TigerFan244
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First let me say what Hamas did is atrocious and every single one of them needs to be hunted down and eliminated.
What else is there after this statement.
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However, when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists?
When you cut off the heads of children and babies. After that nothing else really matters.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:36 pm to TitleistProV1X
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This is what I can’t understand. These people were warned as to what was coming. Why are so many women and children still there? Are they being forced to stay?
The only reason so many stay is because no country will Take them in… I wonder why that is……. Their fellow Muslim brothers are shutting them out for political reasons
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:38 pm to TigerFan244
I don't care
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:45 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I love this. Hey, we gave them a chance to leave. There was nowhere for them to go, but we gave them a chance.
There is somewhere to go. Anywhere not in that part of the city. Might not be a nice hotel, but sleeping under the stars is a better option than having your building bombed!
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:47 pm to Earnest_P
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I wouldn’t believe that God wanted me to kill a bunch of people who didn’t do it.
Hamas represents the majority decision of Gaza. In a sense, they did "do it" and that blood guilt extends to the entire support structure of Hamas.
Minimizing collateral damage is a (relatively modern) "Western" value.
Think about this: You're insisting that Israel show restraint in their retaliation against Hamas in order to mitigate the injuries and deaths to those you deem innocent among the Gaza population. Gaza didn't kill innocent Israeli women and children as "collateral damage". That was their primary target.
Frankly, all I can say to your position in that light is, "Cry more."
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:50 pm to LSUROXS
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What else is there after this statement.
Well, he did go on and say, "But you better not harm a single 'innocent' woman or child in hunting down and eliminating every single one of them."
Since every rational person understands that Hamas' entire tactical scheme is to attack from the shelter of their own women and children's bodies, the OP wants Israel to just surrender because Hamas cracked the code.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:24 pm to TigerFan244
No this is all bullshite. Israel turned over Gaza completely to the Palestinians in 2005 and what did they do? Elect Hamas to be their "government" to run Gaza. In the meantime, Israel has provided them electricity, food, medicine, water, "all utilities, humanitarian aid, allowed 1000's upon 1000's to cross into Israel every day to work and then go back home to Gaza. All the while Palestinians teach children from the moment they are born to hate the Jews and kidnap all the millions of dollars in aid that flows to Gaza from the U.S and every other country. You need to direct your message to Hamas. And it becomes a fight back in the fiercest of ways when a man and a woman are ripped from their home with their children and baby. And the father is immediately dismembered and murdered as is the children, the mother raped and kept alive until after she sees these monsters cook their baby in an oven so that she can hear the babie's screams and then she is too dismembered and murdered. This is a war and one that Hamas wanted. Hamas and Iran knew exactly what the response would be and are counting on people like you to call foul on Israel's part for fighting back to save their country and people. Hamas doesn't give a damn about the Palestinians in Gaza or anywhere else. Their soul purpose of existence is to exterminate every Jew from the face of the earth and wipe Israel off the map as well as every westerner and everyone who doesn't believe like them including other Muslims. Theu couldn't care less about a two state solution or peace. So they get what they get.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:26 pm to lake chuck fan
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There is somewhere to go. Anywhere not in that part of the city. Might not be a nice hotel, but sleeping under the stars is a better option than having your building bombed!
Tell me you don't know anything about Gaza without telling me that you don't know anything about Gaza.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
Hamas can stop it right now. Surrender. Release whatever remaining hostages are left. And the remains of the others.
Seems like the Arab world would be pressuring Hamas but can’t get past their hatred of the Israelis
Seems like the Arab world would be pressuring Hamas but can’t get past their hatred of the Israelis
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