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re: The fundamental flaw in Israel's "Hamas hides amongst civilian population" justification
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:48 pm to TigerFan244
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:48 pm to TigerFan244
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TigerFan244
You're so fricking stupid, it's hard to know where to start.
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First let me say what Hamas did is atrocious and every single one of them needs to be hunted down and eliminated.
That's exactly what they're doing. Newsflash, dipshit...they hide out in the tunnel complex under hospitals.
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I have friends from the middle east
I bet you know a black person also.
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However, when did it become OK to carpet bomb
You clearly have no fricking clue what the term means.
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Israel's recent bombing of he Jabalya refugee camp is just the latest example of indiscriminate bombing
Again, you're a fricking idiot. They targeted a Hamas leader and they got him. That isn't being "indiscriminate". 50 were killed and 400 wounded. If the Israelis had indiscriminately carpe bombed the refugee camp, there would have been a helluva lot more dead, and no survivors.
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when did it become OK to take out the civilians as well just to get the terrorists?
Long before it became OK when German civilians were killed in Allied bombings of Nazi military targets.
I can't tell if you're really this stupid, or just a disgusting piece of shite from a moral standpoint. And I guess both of those can be true at the same time.
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:56 pm to BamaScoop
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Those decent goat frickers need to kill Hamas and hand them over! If you carpet bomb enough they will turn on hammas
The last election as in 2006 and Hamas, while leading, only got 44% of the vote. Fatah was second with 41%. Present day Fatah recognizes Israel's right to exist and favors negotiation with Israel over armed conflict.
Gazans will be a helluva lot better off with Fatah running the place.
Fatah
Fatah vs. Hamas.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:00 pm to BamaGradinTn
There are no civilians in Gaza. They are all terrorist.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:01 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Call me evil, but I don’t have a ton of issues with it. Palastinians support hamas, voted for hamas. Even the few that may not they hate the Jews and rather the Jews just die. So I have no big issues with whatever Israel does to stop them.
Amen. Just about exactly how I feel.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:05 pm to TigerFan244
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Total BS. They need to stop the killing now otherwise they are only sowing more seeds of hate and anti-Israel sentiments with every innocent life lost.
It’s already there and only going to get worse. Whose lives are more important to the Israeli government, Jews or Arabs? It’s not the United States you know.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:06 pm to AirbusDawg
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AirbusDawg
Retard.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:09 pm to TigerFan244
Why do military leaders send troops into battle? Because hard choices have to be made. In Israel’s mind the trade is a handful of possible civilians for all those killed in Israel and all those who may be killed in the future by this guy.
Why did we fire bomb Berlin and nuke Japan. War requires tough decisions. Why did Sherman burn everything he saw in Georgia whether civilian or military?
They asked those people to leave. They assumed the risk.
Why did we fire bomb Berlin and nuke Japan. War requires tough decisions. Why did Sherman burn everything he saw in Georgia whether civilian or military?
They asked those people to leave. They assumed the risk.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:29 pm to TigerFan244
Why would anyone live with terrorist? They obviouly feel the same way as the terrorist and appprove of terrorist actions..
By being there, you are condoning it. They knew who they were and what they stood for.
Like living with a known drug dealer and acting shocked when cops raid your house with your children. YOU put them there! YOU agreed with the terrorist mindset.
By being there, you are condoning it. They knew who they were and what they stood for.
Like living with a known drug dealer and acting shocked when cops raid your house with your children. YOU put them there! YOU agreed with the terrorist mindset.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:34 pm to Icceytiger
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So they are supposed to just leave the terrorists alone and let this happen all over again?
No. You put massive amounts of boots on the ground and solve the problem that way. Israel doesn't want the problem to be solved. They want to guilt trip the West into taking all the Palestinians off their hands.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:34 pm to TigerFan244
These civilians have been told for 2 weeks to get TF out of northern Gaza. The ones who are staying are trying to prove a point that they won’t leave and they’re keeping kids back with them. They asked them to go about 15 miles south. It’s not that hard to go 15 miles to save yourself and family. What’s coming to them is on them at this point. The same ones that have been killed are prob then same ones spitting on that half naked , raped Israeli girl being drug through the streets a month ago. War sucks but they brought it on them
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:01 pm to AgSGT
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It became acceptable when leaflets were dropped warning all innocent civilians in the area that Isreal would be targeting that area because Hamas was hiding among and beneath them at that camp, and in those leaflets, a warning was included urging all innocents to flee the area.
Not only that...they received a total of 3 warnings..First phone calls, 2nd the leaflets, then a small bomb on top of their building that wasn't big enough to cause any large damage but to get the attention of those civilians inside that didn't respond to the other attempts.-
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:58 pm to TigerFan244
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Total BS. They need to stop the killing now otherwise they are only sowing more seeds of hate and anti-Israel sentiments with every innocent life lost.
OP needs some of these;
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:02 pm to TigerFan244
quote:WWI and WWII
when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:40 pm to TigerFan244
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when did it become OK to carpet bomb thousands of civilians to root out a few terrorists?
Point out where this is happening in Gaza. You dishonest, uneducated peons haven't seen such bombing since WW2.
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Even IF they are hiding amongst the civilians (in one of the most densely populated regions of the world) when did it become OK to take out the civilians as well just to get the terrorists?
There's no "if". It's a well established fact that Hamas uses hospitals, schools and refugee camps as storage depots for weapons and locations to launch attacks from knowing that the retaliation will likely cause civilian casualties. They know they can then spread propaganda to low-IQ morons like you. Also, if the civilians are supporting the terrorists then they get what they deserve.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:25 pm to Mo Jeaux
They literally just had move a mile in either direction where they were free to move. They chose or,were forced to stay directly on top of a Hamas command center
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:44 pm to Earnest_P
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Morality doesn’t change because things suck. If it’s wrong to kill non-combatant women and children, then it’s wrong, even if your enemy is hiding behind them. It’s Hamas’s fault that civilians are in the way. But Israel still has a choice to make. If doing the right thing means not solving the problem, tough. Doing the right thing means living with the consequences. How are you better than your enemies if you kill women and children because it suits your purposes to do so?
Actually you are wrong on several points:
1) Morality doesn’t change because things suck. If it’s wrong to kill non-combatant women and children, then it’s wrong, even if your enemy is hiding behind them. This is factually wrong. As a combat leader I am supposed to uphold the rules of war. This is done via ROEs. Every ROE says you have the right to defend yourself or your troops. I would submit that by not returning fire to protect your unit you are morally wrong. In a macro view this is what Israel is doing with the IDF. They go through unprecedented measures to limit civilians casualties. The fact you are unaware of these steps makes me wonder how you educate yourself on matters before asserting partial truths?
2) If doing the right thing means not solving the problem, tough. Doing the right thing means living with the consequences. I suggest you read some Thomas Sowell. “There are no solutions, only trade-offs”. In this given situation I am trading the lives of the Palestinians for peace from their terrorist leaders. Maybe Hamas might have built some bunkers for their citizens instead of spending all the UN money on building tunnel networks…but they made a trade-off….elections have consequences.
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