re: The attacks on America’s Judeo-Christian foundation and how that founding came to be

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Islam is also the same by that logic

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Dumbest thing Ive read on TD since your trying to prove man's evolution came from nothing

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Probably because of Islam's cultural return to extreme fundamentalism

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But that's irrelevant if it's all based in "looking back" to the past.

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As people have pointed out, this term wasn't coined until that shift had already happened.

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That just further argues the term is without value

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Of those 6, only one could be attributed to some ethos/culture derived by the Christian religion: the work ethic.

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Property rights too... There's a whole commandment concerning property and coveting.

Wow thanks Dennis Prager for educating me on my history

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Property rights too.

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I covered that.

The institutions created around property rights were a function of Roman and Islamic traditions.

The actual influence of Christianity outside of these 2 isn't that great, and a lot of it will be attacks on private property ownership (like the Franciscans) due to the teachings of Jesus against the material world and what we'd call consumer society. I imagine you'd be able to find a lot more theological rhetoric for socialism from Christian sects in the period between the fall of Western Rome and the Renaissance than institutional property rights of Rome and the consumer society that it created.

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What a fricking moron.

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Not moronic enough to attempt to justify the bombing of hospitals full of wounded women and children or the bombing of churches full of Christians seeking refuge.

But here you are, being a moron, refusing to acknowledge that these things are indiscriminate.

Not a good look for you bub. Not good at all.

BYW, truth =/= anti-semitism, but you can continue the moronic attempts to try to paint it that way.

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Probably because of Islam's cultural return to extreme fundamentalism (in what, the 19th century?...I'm not an expert on Islamic history) that no longer shared vales like democracy and freedom of speech with the west. As people have pointed out, this term wasn't coined until that shift had already happened.

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Islam- death & martyrdom are celebrated, women are second class citizens, gays are executed, non-existence of civil rights, minimal freedom, totalitarian rule

Basically the complete opposite of American values

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The desire to implement institutions and systems of Pagan societies (Greece, Rome) is not Christian.

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Yet it was the Church who developed institutions such as Bologna, Oxford, corporations, double-entry bookkeeping, and early banking systems. All things critical to the rise of western civilization. And don't try to pivot now and say that the greeks developed universities before this. You said western civilization didn't thrive until after the church took a more secondary role in society. While the timing may be coincidental, it wouldn't have happened if the church hadn't built the infrastructure.

First things first. We were founded on Christian Principles.

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Western Culture didn't really take off and start developing until the Church took a secondary role in society during this period.

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When would you say that occurred? The Christian Church founded the great Universities. Many massive breakthroughs in mathematics, astronomy, metallurgy, architecture, etc occurred throughout the Middle Ages when the church was at the peak of its power. The Age of Exploration, the Renaissance, etc all started well before the Reformation let alone the secularist movements of the latter 18th and early 19th centuries.

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Also, when describing America specifically, you have to get much more detailed than "Western Culture" and focus more on Anglo culture from Britain, which was distinct from its continental peers (and that divergence still remains).

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As a Louisianan, no, I really don’t. With that said, despite our vast differences, the anglo culture bares much more in common with the continental Europeans than any European culture does with any current non-European civilization. These distinctions are important, especially with respect to concepts like natural rights, federalism, and limited governments.

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The influence of Judaism was even less present at this time, so I fail to see how it has any role in this cultural shift away from religion and into science, art, philosophy, etc.

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That’s like saying that metal bands have no influence from the Beatles or The Blues. Sure, it’s hard to hear the similarities, but when you look into music theory, song structure, and recording techniques, it’s impossible to ignore how much modern music is built upon earlier developments like the Blues and the Beatles.

The founders didn’t have to be Jewish for principles derived from Judaism to be omnipresent and informative on their work. You don’t have to be fluent in latin to speak a lot of words derived from the language.