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re: Study finds that foreign firms paid 4% of tariff burden in 2025, while Americans ate 96%

Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13503 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:21 pm to
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Tariffs have had very little effect on inflation.


Inflation is the worst way to try to assess the impact of the tariffs.

First of all, inflation tracks rates of change, not overall change.

Tariffs could double the price of a certain good overnight and as long as the new price stayed stable, it would not show up as 100% inflation. (Well, it would for one day, but would have a much smaller effect on the inflation number over time).

Because tariffs tend to raise prices suddenly and also stabilize them suddenly, their effects are largely hidden by inflation numbers.

Also, inflation doesn't show up in reactions like companies freezing hiring or cancelling expansion plans or freezing promotions and raises.

And finally, tariffs effect only certain items. I have no idea how many products and services the US economy has, but just to make numbers easy let's say a billion. Let's say tariffs only affect 50 million of those products and services. 5% of the total. They could raise prices on that 5% by 100% and it would, again, show up as a much smaller number in inflation calculations because it's a small percentage of the total.

The point is not inflation, nor was inflation mentioned in the link that I saw (I skimmed, so I may have missed it if it was).

The point is that people have been claiming for over a year that American citizens would not pay the tariffs. Of course they do/did/will continue to.

That's the point of the article. Other studies have shown that the tariffs represent the biggest tax increase an Americans since Bill Clinton was in office.

If you're o.k. with paying for these tariffs just because the inflation increase has been modest, or because Trump promises about $3Trillion worth of largesse to various groups on $200 Billion worth of tariff revenue, that's a separate issue. But we do pay the tariffs. Everybody who knew what they were talking about told y'all we would in one way or another.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128797 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:28 pm to
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Tariffs could double the price of a certain good overnight and as long as the new price stayed stable, it would not show up as 100% inflation.


This sounds like gaslighting.
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
2430 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:33 pm to
Oh no, say it isn't so.

Nobody knew that's how tariffs worked, lol

Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:33 pm to
I would imagine the article is just skimming the highlights/conclusion of the study.

Here’s the Study itself if you wanna take a look.

The argument isn’t “Are tariffs good or bad?”

It’s “Are the other countries eating the tariffs?” as we’ve been led to believe they would/are.

From this study, using this data, it’s obvious they aren’t.
This post was edited on 1/20/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:36 pm to
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The article dances past how much was paid by the end consumer. That’s kind of a key fact, isn’t it?


In the context of this study and this discussion?

Not really.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19618 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:37 pm to
OK, if true, why did Europe have tariffs on our agriculture products? Why did Europe have a 10% tariff on our cars, while we had almost none on theirs? (This has been complained about for decades).

Why did India have extremely high tariffs on our luxury goods? Why did China have extreme tariffs on American cars? (South America also had high tariffs on our cars).

Does this mean that the entire world is wrong about tariffs and only the Kiel Institute has it figured out?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15752 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:41 pm to
A German Think Tank.

Are you related to Tim Walz, retard?
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3403 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:41 pm to
This sounds like a great way to move to a consumption tax vs. Income tax. Isn't that what lots of people have been asking for?

Trump is changing the tax policy via the tariffs. Lol
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13785 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:41 pm to
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Same question to you. Who has paid these tariffs? The article doesn’t say.


Mostly the cost is being absorbed by the exporters and/or importers. Some probably passed to the ultimate consumer but this seems to be minimal so far. This is the big reason for the tariffs in the first place. They tell American companies to stop being addicted to cheap foreign labor. Make stuff here and employ Americans. I’m old enough to remember when Dem politicians wanted that.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:46 pm to
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We’re bulldozing bodies in the street!!! If you can direct me to one post of yours concerned with inflation under Joe Biden, I will be absolutely flummoxed.


Far more likely to find several moaning about low corporate income tax and how Amazon and Tesla paid 0% rates.


Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29227 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:49 pm to
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*Post of random twitter user making a wild claim with no evidence*
Typical TD Politics user: "OMG, this is 100% true and I'm angry!"


Yep. If CatTurd or UltraMAGA1 doesn’t report it, it must not be true.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49531 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:50 pm to
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They’ll just squeal at you, attack the source, and bring up Joe Biden Everyone with an ounce of sense knew this would be the case.

So we should just mimic Joe Biden????

Talk about cluelesss ??
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27191 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:54 pm to
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This sounds like a great way to move to a consumption tax vs. Income tax. Isn't that what lots of people have been asking for?

Trump is changing the tax policy via the tariffs.

Yeah ive heard from people that are fans of the idea.

Manufacturingdive recently put out an article By The Numbers for 2025.

LINK

They claim its the largest tax increase as a percent of GDP since 1993.

quote:

 
32%

The percentage of manufacturers that plan to pass on all cost increases from tariffs into sales prices, according to the Institute for Supply Management’s December survey. Another 54% said they plan to pass on some cost increases through the price of sales or other services, or absorb them through reduced margins. Only 8% indicated they would absorb all the tariff costs; while 6% said they were unaffected


This post was edited on 1/20/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35330 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:54 pm to
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Yahoo Finance eh?


Bloomberg. But same principle. Or lack thereof.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2023
2957 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:56 pm to
That's how tariffs work. Like all taxes, they get passed to the consumer. I'm much more surprised that some idiots decided to eat 4%.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55560 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:56 pm to
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Even if they didn't, a big part of the tarrifs was to make American producers more competitive. Go look at the job numbers and tell me this didn't happen!

The job numbers haven’t been good, but I didn’t expect them to be good in less than a year after tariffs were imposed. It will take five or ten years after tariffs are approved by congress. Until that happens, American businesses aren’t going to gamble that the tariffs are long term.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13785 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:57 pm to
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The point is that people have been claiming for over a year that American citizens would not pay the tariffs. Of course they do/did/will continue to.


Well you say Americans you’re not distinguishing between companies and ultimate consumers. Of course the tariffs are being paid, but so far it isn’t American consumers who are bearing the costs. Tariffs are supposed to incentivize: Make stuff here and stop being addicted to cheap foreign labor. Employ Americans. Believe it or not, the Democrat Party used to be all about that. What happened?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128797 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:57 pm to
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In the context of this study and this discussion?


You don’t think it’s relevant if the tariff is being paid by the corporation or if they’re passing it on to their customer?
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
2389 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:59 pm to
Good. I hope it’s eleventy-billion in 2026 so Americans will free themselves of their cheap Chinese shite addiction caused by the dopamine hit they receive when Amazon arrives at their door.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173750 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:00 pm to
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Yahoo Finance eh?

Do you think that yahoo conducted the study or something?
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