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re: So what happens if the next president decides to declare a national emergency on guns?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:08 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:08 pm to DavidTheGnome
This is a national emergency to protect the borders of the nation. That is a Constitutional duty.
Denying 2nd Amendment rights is not a Constitutional duty.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Denying 2nd Amendment rights is not a Constitutional duty.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:08 pm to DavidTheGnome
David you’re a fricking idiot.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:12 pm to DavidTheGnome
I don’t really see him going around congress because congress passed legislation to build a border wall years ago. Trump is just declaring an emergency to actually fund the building of said wall.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:12 pm to DavidTheGnome
Please , let them try any of that down south . It wont be pretty for them if they try . You really think a door to door confiscation of certain kinds of guns will fly in the southern US ? 
No
No
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:13 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
Anyone who denies that the border situation is a national emergency needs their head examined. The cost of illegal immigration is equivalent to hurricane Katrina - every single year. Narco terrorism, human trafficking, sexual abuse, and a half million apprehended annually. We have a shadow population living among us the size of Belgium. To call it a national emergency would be an understatement.
MisPlacedBrownEye doesn’t think so, he believes the wall/barrier is a waste of taxpayers money.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:20 pm to DavidTheGnome
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So what happens if the next president decides to declare a national emergency on guns?
This is when the the shite hits the fan and the nation revolts. That or the POTUS at the time IS removed with the 25th Amendment for legit being nuts.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:21 pm to DavidTheGnome
We use them. Lest you want the ghosts of Washington and Franklin to call you a bitch.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
We say frick it, lock and load and start forming the militia and shut this country down?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:25 pm to DavidTheGnome
OK replace guns with medical care for everyone, everyone, and the GOV is going to pay for it all. Cmon, this is pandora's box and will not pass the scrutiny of the legal system and a majority of the American people. The REF A it will establish for future Presidents, of any party, is horrible.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:34 pm to DavidTheGnome
One of the few things that the Fed should do is protect our sovereign borders. Congress doesn't seem to want to do that so the CIC is going to have to take care of this for them. I don't see a problem.
ETA: There are way too many people with way too many guns for anything other than the Dems getting slaughtered if they try it.
ETA: There are way too many people with way too many guns for anything other than the Dems getting slaughtered if they try it.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:36 pm to DavidTheGnome
This whole "what if" thing is just comical.
I"m not saying I'm all in on some Emergency declaration, but it ain't like no president has used this shite already.
And, it's absurd to think that if some future Dem thinks he could get away with what OP suggests that he wouldn't try.
Nothing Trump does one way or the other will change that at all
I"m not saying I'm all in on some Emergency declaration, but it ain't like no president has used this shite already.
And, it's absurd to think that if some future Dem thinks he could get away with what OP suggests that he wouldn't try.
Nothing Trump does one way or the other will change that at all
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:42 pm to DavidTheGnome
2A, but some progressive pres could do something similar with climate change and build gobs of solar panels and windmills.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:43 pm to DavidTheGnome
First of all, this is NOT NOT NOT opening any sort of precedent that the prog filth scum frick snivelcrats would attempt to have you believe. Emergency declarations have been signed NUMEROUS TIMES before, and the two who signed the most were jug eared Muslim loving Hussein and slick Willy cum stain Clinton.
Secondly, you cannot declare an emergency against the 2nd Ammendment. So what yeast infected smelly depends wearing Nancy attempting to scare you with a veiled threat holds way less water than the ensure incontinence pad she has her aides stuff in her aforementioned depends diaper.
Secondly, you cannot declare an emergency against the 2nd Ammendment. So what yeast infected smelly depends wearing Nancy attempting to scare you with a veiled threat holds way less water than the ensure incontinence pad she has her aides stuff in her aforementioned depends diaper.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:43 pm to ShortyRob
Rob. You’re a lawyer right?
Does it not freak you out that the USSCT will ultimately determine whether this is an emergency or not?
Trump could affirmatively win that issue, but as it would be a constitutional question of separation of powers. Even if the Ct rules that Trump has the authority to do this (which I actually believe that he does), if the language in the opinion is broad enough- it could grant the POTUS the ability to grant any issue the POTUS thinks is important as a national emergency.
AOC and company have already declared that they think global warming is an emergency on par with WWII and somehow socialism and Medicare for all is the cure. No it makes no sense - but if Trump wins, I think its actually more dangerous than if he loses.
Does it not freak you out that the USSCT will ultimately determine whether this is an emergency or not?
Trump could affirmatively win that issue, but as it would be a constitutional question of separation of powers. Even if the Ct rules that Trump has the authority to do this (which I actually believe that he does), if the language in the opinion is broad enough- it could grant the POTUS the ability to grant any issue the POTUS thinks is important as a national emergency.
AOC and company have already declared that they think global warming is an emergency on par with WWII and somehow socialism and Medicare for all is the cure. No it makes no sense - but if Trump wins, I think its actually more dangerous than if he loses.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:44 pm to DavidTheGnome
Not constitutional. Please educate yourself just a tiny amount.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:45 pm to DavidTheGnome
It will be addressed by Congress have no doubt.
Going forward if this happens they will reduce this power.
Going forward if this happens they will reduce this power.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:48 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I don’t like this. Opens the doors to too many possibilities. We don’t live in a dictatorship, if the president can’t get it through Congress then tough shite it just doesn’t get done. I have no problem with a wall, I just have a problem with opening Pandora’s box with this national emergency crap. It can and will be used to get more than just a wall.
Tell me what makes you think Trump not declaring a state of emergency, will stop the next socialist democrat president from doing so, for whatever reason he desires?
It’s not like this is new ground. It’s just new ground for a Republican president to use it to get what the American people want.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:48 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:don't you think Obama the idiot would have declared a ne on guns if he could have? Do you think he was only stopped bc Trump hadn't declared a ne on illegal immigration?
DavidTheGnome
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:50 pm to DavidTheGnome
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When they say we aren’t infringing on your right to bear arms, you can still have guns. Just not certain kinds.
When they say we aren't infringing on your right to freedom of speech, you can still say stuff. Just not certain words.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 6:50 pm to Wednesday
quote:Nope.
Rob. You’re a lawyer right?
quote:I honestly don't even know how the USSC really would possess such authority but honestly, we don't have a constitution anymore so who knows.
Does it not freak you out that the USSCT will ultimately determine whether this is an emergency or not?
quote:Which, clearly ain't good although honestly, I'm not sure that in today's climate, it isn't already true.
Even if the Ct rules that Trump has the authority to do this (which I actually believe that he does), if the language in the opinion is broad enough- it could grant the POTUS the ability to grant any issue the POTUS thinks is important as a national emergency.
quote:This is the kind of problem you have when people no longer really care about government limits...….it's where we are
AOC and company have already declared that they think global warming is an emergency on par with WWII and somehow socialism and Medicare for all is the cure. No it makes no sense - but if Trump wins, I think its actually more dangerous than if he loses.
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