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Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:01 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No, most markets are free enough and the cost of enforcement high enough that the current structure is better than something in which planned obsolescence is verboten.
If you think it’s a problem in tech and specifically mobile devices, then the action to pursue is anti-trust, not anti-obsolescence. Well functioning markets (off the top of my head, industrials, retail, O&G equipment, on and on and on) tend to kill companies that play that game.
Also, some planned obsolescence tends to quicken innovation cycles.
ETA: Even given all that, the government would have a tough time proving Apple, as an example, “planned” obsolescence. They’d probably have a pretty convincing argument that innovation (OS updates and other software) making a previous product slower or obsolete isn’t illegal even under anti-obsolescence guidance. Autonomous vehicles and their OS’s are going to run into the same issues here in a few years.
If you think it’s a problem in tech and specifically mobile devices, then the action to pursue is anti-trust, not anti-obsolescence. Well functioning markets (off the top of my head, industrials, retail, O&G equipment, on and on and on) tend to kill companies that play that game.
Also, some planned obsolescence tends to quicken innovation cycles.
ETA: Even given all that, the government would have a tough time proving Apple, as an example, “planned” obsolescence. They’d probably have a pretty convincing argument that innovation (OS updates and other software) making a previous product slower or obsolete isn’t illegal even under anti-obsolescence guidance. Autonomous vehicles and their OS’s are going to run into the same issues here in a few years.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't know about illegal, but people should be aware which companies do this.
It was GM's bread and butter for decades.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Why do you crave having the government involved? Is the government your only solution to every problem?
Should planned obselence (sic) be illegal?
Why can't consumers decide for themselves if they want to buy the products of a company if that company purposely makes products with a limited life?
quote:Do you know the background why Apple did that?
An example would be Apple pushing software updates to your iPhone to slow it down
It was because some older model iPhone batteries were beginning to not hold a charge as long simply due to the properties of re-chargeable batteries.
Rather than making its customers with those phones buy new expensive batteries, iPhone issued a free update which would conserve battery life. But the trade off was some of those older iPhones' functions were slowed down slightly.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
All the people who just HAVE TO have the latest, most expensive technology....
They deserve what they get. I buy $100 Android phones. Have had to buy a whole three in the last 8 years- and the last one worked fine but I dropped it on some big rocks fishing, and it landed wrong and spider webbed the screen.
People want to buy what they want to buy. If they want to spend their money on an $800-1200 phone, that's on them. They understand the product they're getting, and that all technology has its risks.
They deserve what they get. I buy $100 Android phones. Have had to buy a whole three in the last 8 years- and the last one worked fine but I dropped it on some big rocks fishing, and it landed wrong and spider webbed the screen.
People want to buy what they want to buy. If they want to spend their money on an $800-1200 phone, that's on them. They understand the product they're getting, and that all technology has its risks.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Keep in mind we do not live in a true free market where these forces could be naturally regulated by competion in many sectors of the economy.
You could stop buying apple products
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I think if it was discovered that competing companies were colluding for planned obselence in like products, it would be shady at best.
Which means it's probably already happening.
Which means it's probably already happening.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Everyone is free to turn off updates and ride with the phone as it came from the factory. Do we expect years old hardware to run the newest software and apps as though they were released with the iPhone?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:51 pm to EA6B
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there is no sector of the economy where consumers don't have choice of suppliers.
There is an illusion of choice. Lots of Coke and Pepsi but little else situations where the 2 or 3 dominant forces collude to supress wages, benefits, and product quality.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:51 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Everyone is free to turn off updates and ride with the phone as it came from the factory.
Lol see how that works out for your identity protection
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:55 pm to nameredacted
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Interestingly enough, it is already illegal in France. They used the law, which I think is relatively new, to investigate Apple after they were found to be throttling phones with old batteries.
Good. Frick apple for doing that. A company should not be allowed to destroy something I own.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:29 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Hell no. Buy cheap or premium products, your choice.
Don't buy Apple products, there are viable alternatives
Don't buy Apple products, there are viable alternatives
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:32 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:but do you really own it?
Good. Frick apple for doing that. A company should not be allowed to destroy something I own
Or are you paying for the privilege of using it?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:38 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:but do you really own it?
Good. Frick apple for doing that. A company should not be allowed to destroy something I own
Or are you paying for the privilege of using it?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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There is an illusion of choice.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 3:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I realize this board pretty much always takes the side of the business and eschews almost all forms of consumer or worker protections so I kind of already know where this will go but curious anyway.
This board used to be libertarian leaning and I think still is for the most part. Don’t conflate this with “being supportive of business.”
To your example, I don’t like being upgraded out of hardware, but I also have a five year old Mac and a three year old iPhone, so I get a pretty good useful life from Apple products. And I’m not forced to buy them, unlike health coverage.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 4:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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here is an illusion of choice. Lots of Coke and Pepsi but little else situations where the 2 or 3 dominant forces collude to supress wages, benefits, and product quality
I don’t think you understand how to define markets very well.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 6:24 pm to LSUconvert
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And when it fails (like it has now), what's your course of action?
In what way has the market failed?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 6:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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realize this board pretty much always takes the side of the business and eschews almost all forms of consumer or worker protections
obsolescence
With many products, the engineers know the breaking point can only be exceeded at great expense in weight or materials or construction.
Obsolescence is not possible to avoid in cases of fine crafted objects. They wear out too.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 7:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
And what would change exactly? You think a product that could last forever would cost the same as one that requires repurchasing ever couple years? And how would people react to that inflated price?
Maybe, just maybe the market has dictated that most people want to pay for cheap.
But I’ll bet you are just sooo smart you can engineer the system with legislation and just fix everything! Stupid and arrogant is s really dangerous combination.
Maybe, just maybe the market has dictated that most people want to pay for cheap.
But I’ll bet you are just sooo smart you can engineer the system with legislation and just fix everything! Stupid and arrogant is s really dangerous combination.
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