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Should planned obselence be illegal?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:59 am
Meaning the policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so it will become obsolete and thus shortening the replacement cycle. An example would be Apple pushing software updates to your iPhone to slow it down or make it less responsive faster than it naturally would.
Keep in mind we do not live in a true free market where these forces could be naturally regulated by competion in many sectors of the economy.
I realize this board pretty much always takes the side of the business and eschews almost all forms of consumer or worker protections so I kind of already know where this will go but curious anyway.
Keep in mind we do not live in a true free market where these forces could be naturally regulated by competion in many sectors of the economy.
I realize this board pretty much always takes the side of the business and eschews almost all forms of consumer or worker protections so I kind of already know where this will go but curious anyway.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 12:12 pm
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well, no, it should not be illegal. Even removing the free market for a moment, how would you prove "planned obsolescence" once companies begin trying to hide it? At the current rate of technological advancement, the tech will be obsolete in a matter of time anyway. Just sounds like more big government bullshite that wouldn't solve a damn thing.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:05 pm to Gr8t8s
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how would you prove "planned obsolescence" once companies begin trying to hide it?
Same way it would be proved now.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
iPhones are just a massive scam
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well you can wait at least 2 years for anything to happen about it because the democrats are not going to do anything but try to "get Trump".
Why waste time on hypothetical bullshite?
Why waste time on hypothetical bullshite?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Good and provocative question. I think the answer is No but I think there should be full consumer disclosure and aggressive consumer watch dog support . But I haven’t really thought much about it so I’ll be interested to read responses.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
No.
Now, I do believe there should be required disclosure if affirmative actions are taken (like iOS) that intentionally reduces the functionality of older hardware, but hardware itself designed with a shelf life? No, let the market decide.
Now, I do believe there should be required disclosure if affirmative actions are taken (like iOS) that intentionally reduces the functionality of older hardware, but hardware itself designed with a shelf life? No, let the market decide.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:13 pm to Joshjrn
No
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:14 pm to Joshjrn
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No, let the market decide.
And when it fails (like it has now), what's your course of action?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Your cynicism aside, I would have no issue with it on the surface as, in the Apple instance you mentioned, the company is in effect stealing from the consumer. However, it would quickly devolve into X product must last Y period of time which would have obvious negative effects on innovation. We’d need someone to successfully sue an Apple over it first.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:23 pm to Snazzmeister
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the company is in effect stealing from the consumer.
This happens every day in all sorts of ways. Did you see The Last Jedi?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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. An example would be Apple pushing software updates to your iPhone to slow it down or make it less responsive faster than it naturally would.
Does the same thing happen with android phones?
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yes, but there’s no way to prove or enforce it. Ideally the market fixes it on its own
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Interestingly enough, it is already illegal in France. They used the law, which I think is relatively new, to investigate Apple after they were found to be throttling phones with old batteries.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:33 pm to Draconian Sanctions
We made light bulbs in 1900 that last for over 100 years. Dirt cheap. The manufacturers changed the design.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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An example would be Apple pushing software updates to your iPhone to slow it down or make it less responsive faster than it naturally would.
Is there any proof this actually goes on? How do we know it's not other apps or software doing it? Was Microsoft doing the same thing all those years with Windows?
There are cases where we know planned obsolescence has happened, though: the old incandescent light bulbs are a good example. Also, the motor in washing machines (drum bearings) were inserted into the tub in a way they couldn't be repaired without replacing the whole thing. There's probably other examples as well.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:40 pm to Pesticide
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Which is why like old tools. Seen several over a 100 yrs old and still good. Some even better than new models.
Same for mechanical devices large and small. Read an interesting article on the shortfall of "repairmen" for all sorts of industries due to "planned obsolescence" of goods. And the fact that 3D copying would keep old goods in use much longer than their planned demise....if there was an ample labor pool to fix them. A renaissance of the old handyman so to speak.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:42 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Should planned obselence be illegal?
Not illegal, but it should be required that any company using this tactic has to be obnoxiously transparent about it. I'm talking advertising and expiration dates as big as the logo on the packaging.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Meaning the policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life, so it will become obsolete and thus shortening the replacement cycle. An example would be Apple pushing software updates to your iPhone to slow it down or make it less responsive faster than it naturally would.
Anyone paying attention knows about what Apple does, and are free to buy one of the Iphone competitors.
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Keep in mind we do not live in a true free market where these forces could be naturally regulated by competion in many sectors of the economy.
Only were competition is artificially limited by government regulations there is no sector of the economy where consumers don't have choice of suppliers. As always government is the problem , not the solution.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 12:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I believe shortened life cycles in products in general have increased in the last 30 or so years to maintain consumer buying new products. It seems that this is a built in item to maintain sales of new products. The old adage that things do not last as long as they used to is a reality.
This was transpiring before new technologies being incorporated into products. Since the beginning of the new computer age, things change rapidly.
This was transpiring before new technologies being incorporated into products. Since the beginning of the new computer age, things change rapidly.
This post was edited on 12/22/18 at 12:51 pm
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