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Secretary of State Rubio Says Iran ‘War over Now,’ Details U.S. Redlines in Negotiations
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:35 am
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:35 am
As delinquent subcontractors learned to their distress, former developer Trump is a pay only after full delivery and complete performance kind of guy. Iranian gamesmanship about their nuclear materials and equipment will mean no sanctions relief. This would lead to the abrupt and bloody end of the regime.
The Iranian economy is in free fall, exports and imports are at a trickle, hyperinflation is raging, and the government will soon be unable to pay their workers and essential bills. Even the IRGC is running out of hard currency and resources. No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
Iran's leaders realize that well before the US midterms, they will have to knuckle under to Trump or flee with their loot and families to the hardships and risks of exile. Trump has more time and options than Iran's leaders. The conflict is over except for Iran's leaders thrashing about and haggling over the peace terms.
As it is, due to sanctions and the blockade, Trump controls Iran's cash and trade. Even a peace deal will almost certainly mean the dissolution of the Iranian regime and the withering away of its terrorist proxies. Iran is broke and in a state of decay with extensive war damage. The state ideology of apocalyptic Islam and terrorism is discredited. The populace is hungry, angry, and inclined to turn vengeful when they get the chance.
A peace deal will begin a fatal political reckoning for Iran's regime. It remains to be seen how bloody the process will be.
Thank You Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kuchner!
The Iranian economy is in free fall, exports and imports are at a trickle, hyperinflation is raging, and the government will soon be unable to pay their workers and essential bills. Even the IRGC is running out of hard currency and resources. No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
Iran's leaders realize that well before the US midterms, they will have to knuckle under to Trump or flee with their loot and families to the hardships and risks of exile. Trump has more time and options than Iran's leaders. The conflict is over except for Iran's leaders thrashing about and haggling over the peace terms.
As it is, due to sanctions and the blockade, Trump controls Iran's cash and trade. Even a peace deal will almost certainly mean the dissolution of the Iranian regime and the withering away of its terrorist proxies. Iran is broke and in a state of decay with extensive war damage. The state ideology of apocalyptic Islam and terrorism is discredited. The populace is hungry, angry, and inclined to turn vengeful when they get the chance.
A peace deal will begin a fatal political reckoning for Iran's regime. It remains to be seen how bloody the process will be.
Thank You Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kuchner!
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:38 am to Timeoday
Quick, someone inform the Iranians that it's over
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:42 am to Timeoday
TACO
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:44 am to Timeoday
If what he is saying is true there was never a reason to go to war
We were already using economic statecraft to strangle their economy
We were already using economic statecraft to strangle their economy
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:45 am to KiwiHead
You understand the thrashing about reference point ? Has any nation ever just quit without dealing with the leadership getting all they can? Well that excludes the French of course
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:47 am to Timeoday
This is a new development. Normally this war is over on a Friday.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 7:48 am to Timeoday
quote:
No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
So when shite collapses, who's best positioned to step into the power vacuum?
Maybe those killers and hard men, eh?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:01 am to Powerman
quote:
If what he is saying is true there was never a reason to go to war
We were already using economic statecraft to strangle their economy
And how was that working out? They were about to cave any day because of economic sanctions alone?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:07 am to Timeoday
quote:
No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
I remain cautiously optimistic about the whole ordeal.
But I'm not sure I agree with the quote above.
If these people were in it for the money, they'd have capitulated already. These people are religious zealots who are willing to die for their beliefs. I believe we will have to oblige them in order for this to be over. Either that, or the Iranian civilians will have to start a huge uprising and take control.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:08 am to rebelrouser
quote:
And how was that working out? They were about to cave any day because of economic sanctions alone?
To be clear, that's essentially the claim of the article referenced in the OP
If sanctions didn't cause them to cave before, why would we think it would work now?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:11 am to Powerman
quote:
If what he is saying is true there was never a reason to go to war
We were already using economic statecraft to strangle their economy
That is a gratuitous statement even by your low standards. Before the war, Iran was selling its oil at about a 17% discount to the world market. Today they can’t sell most of it at all. Their imports and exports are severely constrained today compared to before the war.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:12 am to Timeoday
The problem with any peace deal between the US and Iran is Israel. Israel has no desire to end the conflict with Iran while Iran is in shambles.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:12 am to Penrod
quote:
That is a gratuitous statement even by your low standards. Before the war, Iran was selling its oil at about a 17% discount to the world market. Today they can’t sell most of it at all. Their imports and exports are severely constrained today compared to before the war.
But if we end the war wouldn't things revert back to pre war conditions?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:13 am to Flats
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So when shite collapses, who's best positioned to step into the power vacuum?
Maybe those killers and hard men, eh?
Temporarily? Sure. But eventually it’s someone who can relieve the straitened economic circumstances.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:15 am to Timeoday
quote:Replace Iran and IRGC with “Russia” and this is the exact same thing we heard when the Ukraine War started 4 years ago.
The Iranian economy is in free fall, exports and imports are at a trickle, hyperinflation is raging, and the government will soon be unable to pay their workers and essential bills. Even the IRGC is running out of hard currency and resources. No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid
I’ll believe it when I see it
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 8:16 am
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:15 am to Timeoday
quote:
Thank You Mr. Witkoff and Mr. Kuchner!
Are you also thanking him for all of the money he is laundering?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:16 am to deuceiswild
quote:
No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
I remain cautiously optimistic about the whole ordeal.
But I'm not sure I agree with the quote above.
North Korea and Cuba have survived with broken economies. It depends on how restive and oppressed the population has been. Also, neither were being completely blockaded. It’s hard to draw comparisons with other nations, but I think Iran will collapse.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:16 am to Timeoday
Wait this board said it’s not a war
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:18 am to Penrod
quote:
Temporarily? Sure. But eventually it’s someone who can relieve the straitened economic circumstances.
Or it winds up being another Lybia,
We have a history of making things significantly worse.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:18 am to KiwiHead
i don't think it is over. ask yourself, why did trump threaten to bomb oman? one of our best friends in the gulf. could it be that oman is looking at the situation and wants to be on the right side of history going forward? a future that doesn't include the usa in any way in the gulf. saudi arabia has already tore up the petro dollar agreement. the usa is fixing to be run out of the gulf and rubio doesn't see it yet.
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