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re: Secretary of State Rubio Says Iran ‘War over Now,’ Details U.S. Redlines in Negotiations
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:19 am to Penrod
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:19 am to Penrod
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But eventually it’s someone who can relieve the straitened economic circumstances.
Because people in that part of the world always act rationally. They would never follow an economically illiterate strongman because he promises revenge for their bombed out country.
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:20 am to Timeoday
Interesting take. I read from the MSM and all of the TDS infected that Iran was winning and doing whatever they wanted.
This article must be propaganda and it simply cannot be true.
This article must be propaganda and it simply cannot be true.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:20 am to Powerman
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But if we end the war wouldn't things revert back to pre war conditions?
No. The terms being discussed involve a plan to incrementally grant relief by lifting the blockade and releasing Iranian assets (maybe more) as Iran exhibits the desired behavior. Without Iran agreeing to that, the “war” won’t be ended and they will remain in an economically strangled position, which is untenable for them.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:20 am to Powerman
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If what he is saying is true there was never a reason to go to war
You are one dense human being. TDS infected beyond saving.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:21 am to Penrod
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Without Iran agreeing to that, the “war” won’t be ended and they will remain in an economically strangled position, which is untenable for them.
It might be untenable for us to prolong the war indefinitely also
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:23 am to deuceiswild
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I remain cautiously optimistic about the whole ordeal. But I'm not sure I agree with the quote above. If these people were in it for the money, they'd have capitulated already. These people are religious zealots who are willing to die for their beliefs. I believe we will have to oblige them in order for this to be over. Either that, or the Iranian civilians will have to start a huge uprising and take control.
Agreed.
Anything longer term that leaves the Islamic Republic’s government in power and alive to resume their shenanigans later on another day is going to be hard pressed to spin as a “win”.
At best, it kicks the can down the road maybe a few additional years.
Hopefully conditions over there get to a point where the Iranian people feel they are willing to further risk whatever is necessary to have the final say in their own future.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:24 am to CDawson
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You are one dense human being. TDS infected beyond saving.
Let's review what has actually occurred
We tried to use economic pressure to force regime change. Didn't work. We tried decapitation strikes and obliterating a significant portion of their military to force regime change. That didn't work either. So now we're going to go to just assume that continued sanctions will force regime change and assume it will work?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:25 am to Powerman
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We have a history of making things significantly worse.
Like South Korea compared to North Korea? Venezuela? Western Europe compared to Eastern? How about in Iraq? A quiet fact is that Iraq is a greatly improved nation due to the US invasion and occupation under George W Bush. It probably was not worth the cost, but we manifestly made it better. We usually do.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:26 am to Powerman
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It might be untenable for us to prolong the war indefinitely also
Nonsense! Politically damaging to republicans? Sure. But Trump could keep his foot on their throat until January 2029, and they won’t hold out that long.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:27 am to KiwiHead
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Quick, someone inform the Iranians that it's over
It's always been that it will be over when we say that it's over. Trump told everyone this from the beginning. That we could walk away anytime we want.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:31 am to Penrod
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Like South Korea compared to North Korea? Venezuela? Western Europe compared to Eastern? How about in Iraq? A quiet fact is that Iraq is a greatly improved nation due to the US invasion and occupation under George W Bush. It probably was not worth the cost, but we manifestly made it better. We usually do.
Our record in the middle east isn't great
And I'm not sure how much better Iraq really is
Lybia and Syria are in much worse shape.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:32 am to Mo Jeaux
I have been critical of Trump of late but as time passes a pattern of a strategy is emerging. This is a brilliant strategy if the strategy was to bomb the regime to take out the largest part of their war fighting capabilities. And then wait for, however long it takes, to choke them out with a blockade. And only send ground troops when the inevitable collapse of their society occurs.
America avoids the meat grinder and China lost their cut rate oil.
As frustrating as this is, never bet against Trump.
America avoids the meat grinder and China lost their cut rate oil.
As frustrating as this is, never bet against Trump.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:33 am to Timeoday
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The Iranian economy is in free fall, exports and imports are at a trickle, hyperinflation is raging, and the government will soon be unable to pay their workers and essential bills. Even the IRGC is running out of hard currency and resources. No dictatorship can survive when the killers and hard men that keep it in power are not properly paid.
The IRGC will don't require the economy of Iran to have a heartbeat for them to remain in power. The IRGC does not even need any money.
If there is only a small amount of food the IRGC will take it and let the citizens starve. So the narrative that they will ever have to surrender do to sanctions is BS.
Now sanctions could lead to them being overthrown by the people with the US doing nothing to help. But that would mean many millions of deaths due to starvation and loss of power and some via the revolutionary fighting.
The only way for these to end without the death of millions of citizens is for the citizens to be armed.
I have argued this point since the start of the war. We eventually found out that was the plan at one point when we found out the Kurds didn't distribute the weapons we provided. Why we haven't used alternate means to arm the citizens is perplexing. Maybe we are working on that behind the scenes and it is just taking this long. Probably wishful thinking.
People here are understandably upset at the course of the war as seen thru what we know. But if we know the plan as civilians then the IRGC would know as well. So it is a good thing we don't know... IF there is something cooking.
If we pull out and leave Iran as it is today I will say that Trump failed miserably.
If we orchestrate a coup or something that gets the IRGC out of power then I will say it is a great victory.
One thing we know is it isn't over. It hasn't played out fully yet. Time will tell.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:35 am to Powerman
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If what he is saying is true there was never a reason to go to war
We were already using economic statecraft to strangle their economy
Since you apparently can't read:
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Iran is broke and in a state of decay with extensive war damage.
BTW, don't you ever get tired of being such a pussy?
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:39 am to j1897
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TACO
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:39 am to Powerman
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And I'm not sure how much better Iraq really is
Lybia and Syria are in much worse shape.
You might be unsure, but Iraq is FAR better as this AI response to “What is the state of Iraq’a giovernment” shows:
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Iraq's government is experiencing a period of unprecedented domestic stability and economic development, though it remains weighed down by endemic corruption, heavy dependence on oil revenue, and complex regional geopolitical pressures.
Domestic Stability and ProgressImproved Security: Following decades of conflict, Iraq is experiencing its most peaceful and secure period in recent years. Major urban centers like Baghdad are relatively safe, and the UN recently transitioned its long-running political mission into a partnership focused entirely on long-term socio-economic growth.
Institutional Trust: Polling has shown improved confidence among citizens in national institutions, largely due to steady governance following the peaceful establishment of the administration led by Prime Minister Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani.
Economic Growth & Development: The government has advanced significant infrastructure initiatives—such as the massive Grand Faw Port and Development Road projects—and poverty levels have seen a noticeable reduction.
Enduring Challenges
Economic Over-Reliance: The state remains highly vulnerable to global fluctuations in oil prices, and progress has been slow in transitioning to a diversified, non-oil economy or empowering the private sector.
Political Fragmentation & Corruption: Despite improved stability, democratic processes are frequently impeded by institutional corruption and in-fighting among rival political factions.
Foreign Influence: The government continually walks a geopolitical tightrope, attempting to assert its own sovereignty while navigating heavy political and military influence from neighboring Iran and the United States
Syria is in a state of flux, and patience is required to see how it settles out. Much will depend on how Iran is dealt with.
Libya is a mess. But I don’t need to show US success in every instance to rebut your statement that we don’t have a good track record. We do. We have a great track record.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:41 am to Powerman
I think this is intentional. Create a bunch of failed states that can't challenge Israel.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:42 am to Penrod
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Libya is a mess. But I don’t need to show US success in every instance to rebut your statement that we don’t have a good track record. We do. We have a great track record.
Perhaps I'm looking at it from a recency bias
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:56 am to Powerman
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Perhaps I'm looking at it from a recency bias
Iraq and Venezuela are fairly recent.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 8:58 am to rebelrouser
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They were about to cave any day because of economic sanctions alone?
So, about the same time they would have nuclear weapons?
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