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re: Rubio: US Military bases in Europe are useless if we can't use them when we need them

Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:11 am to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173763 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:11 am to
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38 trillion in debt. We should actively be shutting them down

Or we could go with the Trump agenda - increase defense spending by 50% and start stupid wars in the middle east
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:12 am to
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Or we could go with the Trump agenda - increase defense spending by 50% and start stupid wars in the middle east


"Yeah but Trump cut a few GS-5 secretaries and saved pennies while causing pain to citizens I don't like. This is what I voted for."

- Brian, 47, Fat, Morgan City
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 10:13 am
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:14 am to
Im sure Europe is frightened of a exhausted Russia who cant push to within 400 km of Kiev in 5 years
This post was edited on 4/6/26 at 10:19 am
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
15954 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:18 am to
Not gonna lie, Lil Marco is speaking the truth...he aint wrong
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173763 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:19 am to
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"Yeah but Trump cut a few GS-5 secretaries and saved pennies while causing pain to citizens I don't like. This is what I voted for."

- Brian, 47, Fat, Morgan City

This is essentially what MAGA has been reduced to now

It was all a lie and Trump betrayed his base
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
33651 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:20 am to
please close them.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65858 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:21 am to
This is the way.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102740 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:21 am to
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Italy



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Defense Minister Guido


Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
77141 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:23 am to
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Context on Other AlliesGermany has allowed continued U.S. use of Ramstein Air Base for coordination, drone/missile operations, and logistics, though it has ruled out direct German participation in the war
Seems sensible to me
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19527 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:27 am to
Powerbottom, exhibiting his prowess for talking out his arse....with abandon.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51885 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:31 am to
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The USA and Rubio are bluffing on this one. The Germans know this.
Says the guy from a region of France that offered a paper thin resistance to the Germans.

The French in the Champagne region - "We will kill you in the streets!"

The Germans knocking on their doorsteps - "Ve don't believe you. Ve're coming in."

The French - "Okay. We were bluffing. Don't shoot. Come on in."

You were right. Germans know a bluff when they smell one.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24684 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:34 am to
We will find true allies this way. Close them all.

Poland will be the first to line up to the new way the U.S. operates.
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
14162 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:36 am to
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Just be sure to return the equipment home or demo it. Don’t leave shite behind for them.

Scorched earth too.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16655 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:36 am to
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Last I checked, iran ain't at war with nato members in europe

2018 Paris bomb plot
2022 Assassination plot against journalists in UK
2026 Oslo bomb explosion
2026 synagogue explosion in Belgium

The list could be longer if we take the time to list the 102 Iranian plots in Europe since 1979. LINK

There is a reason Iran has been regarded as the #1 state sponsor of terrorism by every living US President and even those who failed to be elected President.

But other than that, no. No threat at all.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37576 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:36 am to
Trump sees NATO as mere vassal states that should do the bidding of the large main power at command. In many ways he acts like a 15th century Ottoman sultan
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1631 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:39 am to
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Im sure Europe is frightened of a exhausted Russia who cant push to within 400 km of Kiev in 5 years


Do you actually believe that Russia’s failure to advance into Ukraine has anything to do with the Ukrainian military?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50771 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:39 am to
I love Vance but Rubio is the face of the party in 2028.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55573 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:40 am to
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If the Euros and Shieks want a post-American world, we should give them one

The Sheiks are doing everything they can to encourage and help America in this war.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14060 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:41 am to
And the Left will find something to complain about with this statement that is the biggest common sense duh imaginable.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
8445 posts
Posted on 4/6/26 at 10:50 am to
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Europeans didn’t just free-ride on American security for 80 years. They built an entire identity around the idea that they evolved past the Americans protecting them.

That identity is now the single biggest obstacle to Western survival. And the darkest irony is: we helped build it.
After World War II, Europe wasn’t just economically shattered. Its culture was in ruins. The cities, the universities, the concert halls, the museums. Rubble.

The Marshall Plan rebuilt the economy. But culture wasn’t a priority. Not at first.
Then the Iron Curtain dropped. And suddenly culture became a weapon.

American diplomats, academics, artists & scholars flooded Western Europe. We funded their universities. Supported their orchestras. Rebuilt their museums. Promoted their intellectual life.
Not because European culture needed saving for its own sake.

Because Eastern Europeans were struggling for Maslow’s mist basic needs.

We needed the view from the other side of that Wall to be intoxicating.

So America built Western Europe into a showcase of self-actualization. Art. Philosophy. Cafe culture. Long vacations. Universities where people studied literature instead of surviving.
We were manufacturing jealousy.

And it worked. The Wall came down.

But here’s what no one accounted for.

When you give a society self-actualization on someone else’s tab long enough, they forget it was a gift. They start believing it was organically theirs.

And when they look at the country that funded it all, a country busy building aircraft carriers and semiconductor fabs and shale fields instead of reaching the Maslow’s pinnacle.

An overweight American in a ball cap who can’t tell Monet from Pissarro. Who eats fast food. Who drives a truck. Who builds strip malls instead of piazzas.

And to a culture trained in aesthetics but stripped of strategic awareness, that American looks uncivilized.

So the arrogance takes root. And once a culture decides another is beneath them, they stop listening.

Americans say wars are sometimes necessary: crude.

Oil is the backbone of prosperity: unsophisticated.

Kids build companies in garages that reshape the planet: crass.

Wall Street finances the global economy: vulgar.

Europe has no world-class technology sector. No military capable of strong defense. No energy independence. No AI capacity.

What Europe has is culture. The culture we paid for at the expense of us reaching Maslow’s pinnacle.

For decades that was fine. We funded the museums, protected the sea lanes, and tolerated the sneering because the arrangement worked.

Then Europeans stopped keeping the contempt private. They started saying it to our faces. In their media. In their parliaments. At every international forum. “Americans are stupid.

Americans are violent. Americans are a threat to democracy.”

We could have moved the Louvre to NY. We could have built a Venice here. We could have stolen your best artists, designers, philosophers and more… like your conquering armies did for centuries.

Instead we funded them. And all we asked for in return was to let us visit.

You don’t have the military to defend your borders. You don’t have the technology to compete. You don’t have the energy to heat your homes without begging dictators.

What you have is an 80-year superiority complex FUNDED BY AMERICANS, protected by American soldiers, and built on the false belief that self-actualization is civilization.

It isn’t. Civilization is the ability to sustain itself. By that measure, Europe isn’t a civilization at all. It’s a dependency with better wine.

That’s not a threat. It’s a weather report.

Build a Navy. Or don’t. But stop lecturing the people who made you “better than us”

Our “crudeness” our “stunted liberal education” our “ugly strip malls” are because we sacrificed our culture to support yours


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