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re: Rich black parents ask an academic to tell them why their kids are underperforming`

Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:10 am to
Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
2778 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:10 am to
Why act white? Just continue to underperform. You’ll still get hired over whitey…
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
20873 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 10:37 am to
Most white families in poverty live the same way. They don’t invest in their child’s education and we see the same academic results.
Posted by Morgus
The Old City Icehouse
Member since May 2004
9998 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:06 am to
Culture does not emerge from nothing. It emerges from the natural proclivities of its people. Show me a group with naturally low cognitive ability and I'll show you a group whose culture does not value intellectual pursuit.

It really is sad to see the extent to which the right has internalized the fundamental arguments of the left without even realizing it. "Culture" is the excuse the right gives in order to stay in line with the leftist notion that environment is the only cause for racial achievement gaps. Because otherwise they're afraid of being called "racist."

If he right does not break through leftist, "anti-racist" conditioning it will never get anywhere.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 11:14 am
Posted by Pvt Hudson
Member since Jan 2013
4934 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:10 am to
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Most white families in poverty live the same way. They don’t invest in their child’s education and we see the same academic results.


Poverty is a different issue. My wife (no pics) is a teacher in a school with upper middle class kids and it is sad how many parents of black kids will pay thousands for a personal trainer/qb coach for their 10-year old, but won’t pay a nickel for a tutor to make sure he passes math class.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115463 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:12 am to
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I'm glad he said it and not a white guy


With a name like

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Ogbu


I suspect he's not a US born black, and thus doesn't put up much with victim bullshite.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8885 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:21 am to
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Some things never change


Yes, they do. They get worse. I'm waiting on the NAACP and other black organizations to announce their boycott of the University of California.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28170 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:23 am to
How TF could doctors, attorneys, judges , etc not figure this out on their own by just speaking to/observing their own children and their children's friends?
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53729 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 11:27 am to
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He believes continued societal deference to the victims of racial discrimination has permitted blacks “the license not to meet the same standards that others must meet,” which has been detrimental to every aspect of African-American life. “To talk about black responsibility is “racist’ and “blaming the victim,'” he says. “They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room — black responsibility.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20615 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:14 pm to
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That's from 2003. Why did it pop up now?



I'm doing a research project. Thought it was worth sharing.
Posted by riverparish
Member since Dec 2007
1603 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:35 pm to
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he took a ton of abuse from the other black kids at school for the very reason mentioned here. He had 'too many' white friends and his speech was 'too white


i've often wondered if that's the same thing that mixed kids go through. a lot of the voices screaming racism, like colin kaepernick, megan markel, bubba wallace, etc may just be trying to prove their "blackness" cause they were teased growing up and told that they aren't "really black". so now they find racism everywhere to show they are down with the struggle.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:47 pm to
My wife and I reared 7 children

5 were our own and 2 were our niece and nephew

No one received less than a 23 on their ACT

The lowest scores were my niece and nephew but for my own children the scores ran from 26 to 34

The first 3 kids a 31 was the highest
The last 2, were 31 and 34

I don’t believe there was any appreciable difference between any of the kids we reared other than parenting experience

As scores increased amongst all kids from child to child except for the two that my wife and I spent the least time with, until our youngest

Iow as we became better parents or children did better

This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16774 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 12:57 pm to
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The parents didnt like that answer.




It's the truth. I witnessed it first-hand during 4 years at 90+% black schools. The few that tried and spoke the king's english were mocked relentlessly.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13103 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:00 pm to
Screw this white supremacy excuse.... its lack of teaching or effort PERIOD !
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
14579 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:02 pm to
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doesn’t deny that there may be antiblack sentiment in the district,


In OAKLAND?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33514 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:04 pm to
Anti progress. It’s a vicious cycle of preventing others from improving their status
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
4232 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:07 pm to
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So wait, am I to believe that studying and paying attention in class nets you better grades?


Of course not, that’s racist. Black kids wouldn’t have to do those things to be successful if America wasn’t so racist. It isn’t their culture and mindset, it’s structural racism!
Posted by cmorebuts
Member since Aug 2023
40 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:12 pm to
It'll take me a while to find a non-paywalled version, but there was a study from the 90s showing that white students from the lowest income bracket did better on standardized testing than black students from the highest income bracket. They just didn't get affirmative action or grants like the black students got.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:20 pm to
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explains Asa Hilliard, an education professor at Georgia State University, “Education is a very high value in the African-American community”
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:41 pm to
Jesus H. Christ. Like crabs in a bucket. Black culture is irrevocably broken and doomed. I can’t fathom a culture that rejects being intelligent and educated.
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The anthropologist also looked at peer pressure among black students to determine just what effect that had on school performance. He concluded that there was a culture among black students to reject behaviors perceived to be “white,” which included making good grades, speaking Standard English, being overly involved in class, and enrolling in honors or advanced-placement courses. The students told Ogbu that engaging in these behaviors suggested one was renouncing his or her black identity. Ogbu concluded that the African-American peer culture, by and large, put pressure on students not to do well in school, as if it were an affront to blackness.


Okay, I’m open to the idea that there is a huge IQ gap.
This post was edited on 8/7/23 at 1:42 pm
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:46 pm to
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Most white families in poverty live the same way. They don’t invest in their child’s education and we see the same academic results.
Maybe, but these weren’t poor black parents. Middle class to upper middle class.
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