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re: Rich black parents ask an academic to tell them why their kids are underperforming`

Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:48 pm to
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I suspect he's not a US born black, and thus doesn't put up much with victim bullshite.
The article says he’s Nigerian born.

Read the article. It’s both depressing, terrifying and maddening.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:53 pm to
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“To talk about black responsibility is “racist’ and “blaming the victim,'” he says. “They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room — black responsibility.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:56 pm to
Good God, every paragraph I read has a quote that just makes me want to kick a puppy.
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“I find it useless to argue with people like Ogbu,” says Urban League educational fellow Ronald Ross, himself a former school superintendent. “We know what the major problems in this school system are: racism, lack of funding, and unqualified teachers.” Although Shaker Heights is in fact an integrated, well-funded, and well-staffed school district, Ross is nonetheless convinced that it suffers from other problems that contribute to the achievement disparities between the races.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Okay, I’m open to the idea that there is a huge IQ gap.


I don’t think it is an IQ gap, it’s a fricking culture gap.

Low expectation having motherfrickers don’t like it when someone makes them look bad for being lazy or stupid. See “tall poppy syndrome”.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:02 pm to
Wow.
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She believes school pressure to speak Standard English and “act white” is the very thing that makes black students fail. “What I found, the requirements in school compelled them to act in ways as if they weren’t living in black bodies but who were essentially white or mainstream Americans,” she says. “Kids found it difficult to deal with that and they found strategies to deal with it. They had to speak a certain variety of English in order to be successful. They had to buy into the ideas that dominate mainstream America.
No fricking shite. Everyone has to do this you fricking idiot. Unless you’re a rapper.

Do you think I would have gotten hired to be an airline captain if I couldn’t speak proper English?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:13 pm to
I’ve flown with numerous black pilots, both captains and first officers and about 90% of them are foreign born.
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“There are studies showing that black African immigrants and Caribbean immigrants do better than black Americans even though some of them come with language barriers. It’s just not race.”
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
4957 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:16 pm to
Before Dr.Ben Carson entered the presidential race he came to Shreveport to do a book signing.
I drove up there and got in line with probably 300 other white people,not 1 black person was there.
I didn’t think he would necessarily make good president but I was in awe of his accomplishments.
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:17 pm to
Who needs education when you can rap?
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
20044 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:22 pm to
Uncle Tom: black person not obsessed with rap culture and living in the streets.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117591 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:23 pm to
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Perhaps being pushed into prominence by affirmative action, didnt prepare these parents to raise children who could earn it.


Perhaps being pushed into prominence by affirmative action these black parents didn't have the IQs of whites in their occupations and their kids inherited the same low IQ.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5360 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:39 pm to
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“I find it useless to argue with people like Ogbu,” says Urban League educational fellow Ronald Ross, himself a former school superintendent. “We know what the major lack problems in this school system are: racism, lack of funding, and unqualified teachers.”



Amazing how unqualified teachers and lack for funding didn't affect the white students.


Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Before Dr.Ben Carson entered the presidential race he came to Shreveport to do a book signing.
I drove up there and got in line with probably 300 other white people,not 1 black person was there.
I didn’t think he would necessarily make good president but I was in awe of his accomplishments.




He served in his cabinet position for the whole term.

DeSantis people do not mention him. Y remember Trum helping to guide him where he was supposed to be for one of the debates, the rest of the assholes about trampled him.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Amazing how unqualified teachers and lack for funding didn't affect the white students.
Good point.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:40 pm to
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Ogbu concluded that the average black student in Shaker Heights put little effort into schoolwork and was part of a peer culture that looked down on academic success as “acting white.”
Professor John Ogbu:

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:43 pm to
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prominent black doctors, attorneys, judges and business owners
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Perhaps being pushed into prominence by affirmative action, didnt prepare these parents to raise children who could earn it.

Oh, FFS.
Affirmative action normally takes a 3.2 kid and treats him like a 3.8 kid. That 3.2 kid is still reasonably bright.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:45 pm to
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I'm glad he said it and not a white guy
With a name like Ogbu, I suspect he's not a US born black, and thus doesn't put up much with victim bullshite.
Born in Nigeria.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:47 pm to
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Most white families in poverty live the same way. They don’t invest in their child’s education and we see the same academic results.
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Maybe, but these weren’t poor black parents. Middle class to upper middle class.

And these Black kids were not being compared to poor White kids. They were being compared to White kids in the exact same socio-economic group.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55757 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:50 pm to
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My son's best friend from 1st grade to 12th grade is a delightful black kid. Great parents, great home life, and just a nice kid. However, he took a ton of abuse from the other black kids at school for the very reason mentioned here. He had 'too many' white friends and his speech was 'too white'. Seriously. It was disheartening.


Literally this guy?


Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13536 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:51 pm to
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Oh, FFS.
Affirmative action normally takes a 3.2 kid and treats him like a 3.8 kid. That 3.2 kid is still reasonably bright.


Yet there is still a widely acknowledged problem with AA minorities being granted entrance to Ivy League schools and then being ill prepared for the academics.

I'm sure you've seen some of the same articles on that phenomenon as the rest of us.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102757 posts
Posted on 8/7/23 at 3:58 pm to
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concluded that the average black student in Shaker Heights put little effort into schoolwork and was part of a peer culture that looked down on academic success as “acting white.”


This is 100% a problem among blacks not only in school but the workplace. I see it all the time, you can take 3 black employees and one will excel at his job and the other 2 will deride him for it calling him an Uncle Tom, white arse kisser, etc until eventually all 3 employees are worthless.

It’s detrimental and incredibly ironic because it’s like black culture is admitting that academic and economic success is a trait of white people so in order to be black they must be stupid, lazy and poor. But if a quote person points out that one of them is stupid lazy and poor that means we are racist
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