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re: One-Third of Basecamp Employees Quit After Founders Ask Them To Focus On Work Not Wokeness
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:05 pm to L.A.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:05 pm to L.A.
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“Basically the company has said, ‘well, your opinions don’t really matter — unless it’s directly related to business…’ A lot of people are gonna have a tough time living with that.”
Real world finna chew up
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:07 pm to loogaroo
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What's wrong with that.
Oh, and you probably think history profs ought to teach history instead of Marxism.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:07 pm to L.A.
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“We make project management, team communication, and email software,” CEO Jason Fried wrote April 26. We don’t have to solve deep social problems, chime in publicly whenever the world requests our opinion on the major issues of the day, or get behind one movement or another with time or treasure. These are all important topics, but they’re not our topics at work.”
He's right, you know. The problem is, this group has already stated...
If you accept that horse shite, then NOT speaking out on the "correct side" of everything that takes place is akin to going against it.
This used to be the correct move and what most people expect from businesses...stay the frick out of things that have nothing to do with your industry. When I'm deciding to buy a new razor, I care about how well the product works, price point, c an I get replacements easily...what I don't care about is their company's position of voting rights or police reform. There are a handful of companies which I used to love and buy form all the time that I refuse to buy form again thanks to their support of BLM last year and their arrogance when called out on it by long time customers who wanted them to simply stay out of these issues.
This CEO did it right...now he needs to stick to his gun.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:08 pm to Taxing Authority
Just to add... here are the changes that caused the wokeheads to quit...
LINK
I could not agree with this more....
As far as people saying... "THEY"RE BANNING US FROM TALKING!!". Liars.
This seems entirely reasonable as well...
LINK
I could not agree with this more....
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1. No more societal and political discussions on our company Basecamp account. Today's social and political waters are especially choppy. Sensitivities are at 11, and every discussion remotely related to politics, advocacy, or society at large quickly spins away from pleasant. You shouldn't have to wonder if staying out of it means you're complicit, or wading into it means you're a target. These are difficult enough waters to navigate in life, but significantly more so at work. It's become too much. It's a major distraction. It saps our energy, and redirects our dialog towards dark places. It's not healthy, it hasn't served us well.
As far as people saying... "THEY"RE BANNING US FROM TALKING!!". Liars.
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People can take the conversations with willing co-workers to Signal, Whatsapp, or even a personal Basecamp account, but it can't happen where the work happens anymore.
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2. No more paternalistic benefits. For years we've offered a fitness benefit, a wellness allowance, a farmer's market share, and continuing education allowances. They felt good at the time, but we've had a change of heart. It's none of our business what you do outside of work, and it's not Basecamp's place to encourage certain behaviors — regardless of good intention. By providing funds for certain things, we're getting too deep into nudging people's personal, individual choices. So we've ended these benefits, and, as compensation, paid every employee the full cash value of the benefits for this year.
This seems entirely reasonable as well...
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6. No forgetting what we do here. We make project management, team communication, and email software. We are not a social impact company. Our impact is contained to what we do and how we do it. We write business books, blog a ton, speak regularly, we open source software, we give back an inordinate amount to our industry given our size. And we're damn proud of it. Our work, plus that kind of giving, should occupy our full attention. We don't have to solve deep social problems, chime in publicly whenever the world requests our opinion on the major issues of the day, or get behind one movement or another with time or treasure. These are all important topics, but they're not our topics at work — they're not what we collectively do here.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:10 pm to L.A.
These people obviously care more about words than money. Let them go join in mostly peaceful protesting instead of doing the work they took these jobs for and see if that pays the bills.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:11 pm to Taxing Authority
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So we've ended these benefits, and, as compensation, paid every employee the full cash value of the benefits for this year.
What sort of moron quits a company that is this awesome?
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:11 pm to GeauxTigerTM
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:12 pm to L.A.
The company will be better off without these losers.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:14 pm to Taxing Authority
The other co-founder... wrote this... LINK
More reasonableness... The woke mob believes everyone agrees with them, and those that dont' should be segregated. The owners do not want that envrionment. As an owner.. neigther do I...
The wokeheads trying to make this out as some sort of draconian action... but...
There is literally nothing unreasonable here. Nothing.
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As cliché as it may sound, these are very difficult times in many places of the world, and in America in particular. We're constantly confronted with terrible tragedies, pulled into polarized political fights, and egged on by social media to engage.
There are many places to be involved, exposed, and engaged in those conversations. Basecamp shouldn't be one of those places.
Basecamp should be a place where employees can come to work with colleagues of all backgrounds and political convictions without having to deal with heavy political or societal debates unconnected to that work.
More reasonableness... The woke mob believes everyone agrees with them, and those that dont' should be segregated. The owners do not want that envrionment. As an owner.. neigther do I...
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By trying to have the debates around such incredibly sensitive societal politics inside the company, we're setting ourselves up for strife, with little chance of actually changing anyone's mind. These types of discussions are so difficult that even if we were having them at the best of times, together in person, with trust batteries fully charged, we'd struggle. And we have none of those advantages right now, so it's not a surprise the results have been poor.
The wokeheads trying to make this out as some sort of draconian action... but...
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If you're in doubt as to whether your choice of forum or topic for a discussion is appropriate, please ask before posting. But if you make a mistake, it's not the end of the world. Someone will gently remind you of the etiquette, and we'll move on. This isn't some zero-tolerance, max-consequences new policy.
There is literally nothing unreasonable here. Nothing.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:15 pm to L.A.
This generation is completely fricked up.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:16 pm to L.A.
As the owner of multiple businesses, it is amazing what this millennial generation believes is supposed to take place at work.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:17 pm to Powerman
quote:As someone on Twitter pointed out... morons with a LOT of privilege.
What sort of moron quits a company that is this awesome?
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:20 pm to deathvalleytiger10
I think you're going to see more of this. Coinbase (who just had a hugely successful IPO) did this earlier this year. Didn't hurt them a bit.
Basecamp (nee 37 Signals) has been ahead of the curve for years. They've done full-remote well over a decade. People told them they were crazy, and it seem crazy at the time no doubt. Yet... here we are.
I wouldn't bet against JF nor DHH. Unless DHH is driving a race car.
Basecamp (nee 37 Signals) has been ahead of the curve for years. They've done full-remote well over a decade. People told them they were crazy, and it seem crazy at the time no doubt. Yet... here we are.
I wouldn't bet against JF nor DHH. Unless DHH is driving a race car.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:21 pm to L.A.
Good. He just very smartly culled the weak. Now that the companies position is out, only alphas will apply. Good for him!
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:21 pm to Taxing Authority
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As someone on Twitter pointed out... morons with a LOT of privilege.
Seriously I could get if they were just slashing the benefits
But who wouldn't want a nice cash bonus in lieu of the benefits that most probably use sparingly anyway?
That's a company that's looking out for their employees
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:24 pm to L.A.
I need to see if they're hiring.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:24 pm to Taxing Authority
Basecamp would be such an awesome place to work. Great benefits, Silicon Valley salary without having to work in Silicon Valley. I'm sure they'll have no problem finding better replacements.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:25 pm to L.A.
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Basedcamp
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:27 pm to Taxing Authority
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They’ll be far better off in six months because of this.
Precisely. The employees that are remaining will be much happier and productive. Take note of what one of the company's co founders wrote LINK:
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But more so than just whether I think that's productive or healthy, a significant contingency of Basecamp employees had been raising private flags about this as well. Finding the discussions to be exactly acrimonious, uncomfortable, unresolved. Yet feeling unable to speak up out of fear that they'd have an accusatory label affixed to their person for refusing to accept the predominant framing of the issues presented by other more vocal employees.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:28 pm to Taxing Authority
My God - this is the language of our Founders - this is EXACTLY the attitude that made America the greatest thing to ever happen to the world's humanity.
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